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		<title>By: Dave Ziffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ziffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 06:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more point: I&#039;ve read lots of pro/con opinions regarding whether we&#039;re in a gold bubble. I used to think that we are, but now I think that we&#039;re not, despite the spectacular price rise of the last eight years. Why would I come to such a conclusion?

It all has to do with what you believe about the character of American politicians at every level - local, state, and federal, and about where we are headed fiscally. First understand that from 1776 to 1913 the US built some of the most solid financial credibility on the face of the earth due to the gold standard upon which its currency was based. Despite the various debasements between 1913 and 1980, we were still able to function reasonably because we had a positive trade balance and a near-zero national debt. But since 1980 we have been going hog-wild. Thirty years of expensive wars and an increasingly negative trade balance have left us paupers, although many still can&#039;t see it (the trappings of wealth can confuse observers for quite awhile).

So two things have happened. We have run out of real positive economic steam (i.e. positive trade balance) and there is no reason to expect recovery from this - ever. The other thing is that we&#039;ve developed an electorate that has no concept of this problem, and which is hooked on more and more spending. If we were electing fiscally responsible people who were going to reverse our decline by cutting spending, then there would be a possibility of recovery. But that is the issue: it is politically impossible in the US to reduce spending. In fact, we can&#039;t even reduce the rate at which we increase spending. Actually, we can&#039;t even reduce the acceleration of the rate at which we increase spending.

These two factors together are leading us to demise. The only escape would be if we were to somehow elect a fiscally responsible government at every level. If this isn&#039;t going to happen, then we have only one future: escalating currency debasement forever.

As an illustration: I live in Illinois, which just raised its income tax from 3% to 5% in order to avert total fiscal meltdown in 2011. The observer must ask: will this solve our problems or will it make them worse? The naive person would presume that we will be better off because we will prevent further degradation of our bond rating and we&#039;ll have money to pay our bills this year. But the more astute observer will look at our history and realize what is really going to happen. I predict that Illinois will now use this increase to justify a 100% increase in state spending over the next ten years or so, leaving us even more broke in 2020 than we are today. It&#039;s basically inevitable. There is no controlling the appetite of the public sector. I assure you: absolutely all the money in this tax increase has been divvied up behind closed doors already.

So back to the price of gold: in order to imagine that its price will eventually drop, we&#039;d have to presume that the US will put its financial house in order, i.e. that it will stop printing money. That would require no more bank bailouts, no more stimulus, and an actual reduction of spending at every government level in order to avert bailouts of the states and municipalities. Is that going to happen?

Nah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point: I've read lots of pro/con opinions regarding whether we're in a gold bubble. I used to think that we are, but now I think that we're not, despite the spectacular price rise of the last eight years. Why would I come to such a conclusion?</p>
<p>It all has to do with what you believe about the character of American politicians at every level &#8211; local, state, and federal, and about where we are headed fiscally. First understand that from 1776 to 1913 the US built some of the most solid financial credibility on the face of the earth due to the gold standard upon which its currency was based. Despite the various debasements between 1913 and 1980, we were still able to function reasonably because we had a positive trade balance and a near-zero national debt. But since 1980 we have been going hog-wild. Thirty years of expensive wars and an increasingly negative trade balance have left us paupers, although many still can't see it (the trappings of wealth can confuse observers for quite awhile).</p>
<p>So two things have happened. We have run out of real positive economic steam (i.e. positive trade balance) and there is no reason to expect recovery from this &#8211; ever. The other thing is that we've developed an electorate that has no concept of this problem, and which is hooked on more and more spending. If we were electing fiscally responsible people who were going to reverse our decline by cutting spending, then there would be a possibility of recovery. But that is the issue: it is politically impossible in the US to reduce spending. In fact, we can't even reduce the rate at which we increase spending. Actually, we can't even reduce the acceleration of the rate at which we increase spending.</p>
<p>These two factors together are leading us to demise. The only escape would be if we were to somehow elect a fiscally responsible government at every level. If this isn't going to happen, then we have only one future: escalating currency debasement forever.</p>
<p>As an illustration: I live in Illinois, which just raised its income tax from 3% to 5% in order to avert total fiscal meltdown in 2011. The observer must ask: will this solve our problems or will it make them worse? The naive person would presume that we will be better off because we will prevent further degradation of our bond rating and we'll have money to pay our bills this year. But the more astute observer will look at our history and realize what is really going to happen. I predict that Illinois will now use this increase to justify a 100% increase in state spending over the next ten years or so, leaving us even more broke in 2020 than we are today. It's basically inevitable. There is no controlling the appetite of the public sector. I assure you: absolutely all the money in this tax increase has been divvied up behind closed doors already.</p>
<p>So back to the price of gold: in order to imagine that its price will eventually drop, we'd have to presume that the US will put its financial house in order, i.e. that it will stop printing money. That would require no more bank bailouts, no more stimulus, and an actual reduction of spending at every government level in order to avert bailouts of the states and municipalities. Is that going to happen?</p>
<p>Nah.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ziffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ziffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, your chart of the price of gold during the Weimar Republic has approximately the same shape as the graph of the percentage change of the growth in the US money supply as shown on www.chartingstocks.net (see the &quot;historical&quot; tab). Most of this money (as I understand it) went to prop up the balance sheets of the banksters&#039; big banks and hasn&#039;t even entered circulation yet. When it does, it seems to me that we will see a simply unprecedented and breathtaking price inflation. My estimate of price inflation in 2010 (not using the bogus government figures) is about 10%. Given that the Fed&#039;s currency injection has been on the order of 100%, we can expect that once all this money circulates, we will have experienced 100% inflation, and that will be the limit only if the Feds don&#039;t print any more. But they will print more - trillions more - as the option ARMs reset in 2011 driving us back into recession, and as state and municipal bonds start collapsing like dominoes, probably also this year.

What will the price of gas be in 2015? I&#039;d say we&#039;d be lucky to see it as little as $6 per gallon. What will the price of gold be? My guess is at least twice what it is today (which would be about $2800 per ounce). Not that it will buy you any more at the supermarket; merely it will have held its purchasing power. And with the dollars we&#039;ll be printing by 2015, $2800 will be cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, your chart of the price of gold during the Weimar Republic has approximately the same shape as the graph of the percentage change of the growth in the US money supply as shown on http://www.chartingstocks.net (see the "historical" tab). Most of this money (as I understand it) went to prop up the balance sheets of the banksters' big banks and hasn't even entered circulation yet. When it does, it seems to me that we will see a simply unprecedented and breathtaking price inflation. My estimate of price inflation in 2010 (not using the bogus government figures) is about 10%. Given that the Fed's currency injection has been on the order of 100%, we can expect that once all this money circulates, we will have experienced 100% inflation, and that will be the limit only if the Feds don't print any more. But they will print more &#8211; trillions more &#8211; as the option ARMs reset in 2011 driving us back into recession, and as state and municipal bonds start collapsing like dominoes, probably also this year.</p>
<p>What will the price of gas be in 2015? I'd say we'd be lucky to see it as little as $6 per gallon. What will the price of gold be? My guess is at least twice what it is today (which would be about $2800 per ounce). Not that it will buy you any more at the supermarket; merely it will have held its purchasing power. And with the dollars we'll be printing by 2015, $2800 will be cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: sell jewelry in clearwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>sell jewelry in clearwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets just assume vanity isn&#039;t just a vulgar part of human existence and ask ourselves, &quot; Who really notices if you are wearing a diamond, or any other kind of jewelry for that matter?&quot; When I see a woman that I might be interested in asking out, sure I look for a ring, but I could care less about what it&#039;s made of. The fact that people spend thousands of dollars for vanity&#039;s sake makes me sick enough but there are others being enslaved and killed over it too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets just assume vanity isn't just a vulgar part of human existence and ask ourselves, " Who really notices if you are wearing a diamond, or any other kind of jewelry for that matter?" When I see a woman that I might be interested in asking out, sure I look for a ring, but I could care less about what it's made of. The fact that people spend thousands of dollars for vanity's sake makes me sick enough but there are others being enslaved and killed over it too.<br />
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		<title>By: The "Golden Staircase" Points to Record Prices for Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>The "Golden Staircase" Points to Record Prices for Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been ardently seeking shelter. In a late-July special report for Money Morning called &#8220;The Three Triggers of the Global Gold Bubble,&#8221; I told [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been ardently seeking shelter. In a late-July special report for Money Morning called "The Three Triggers of the Global Gold Bubble," I told [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Salvagni</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/07/28/gold-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-10371</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Salvagni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gold is a poor investment, averaging a return at or below inflation over the past 60 years. The worst time to buy gold is also the worst time to buy real estate, tech stocks and oil futures....when there is a &quot;frenzy&quot; that accelerates the value of an asset beyond the par value of it&#039;s use. There is no &quot;gold standard&quot; any longer. Gold&#039;s value is almost wholly intrinsic to demand. The value of it&#039;s actual use as jewelry or an industrial metal has not changed substantially. This fact assumes that heightened demand or &quot;frenzy&quot; has pressed the value well beyond gold&#039;s equilibrium price. In times of crisis gold is NOT the method of currency. Whatever utilized commodity that is in short supply becomes valuable; think Katrina, a flashlight, gasoline or drinking water exponentially inflated in value. The world economy has essentially stabilized gold is being propped up by consumer demand...demand for a product with a utilizable value that hasn&#039;t changed much. When your barber suggests it&#039;s time to invest in anything, it&#039;s time to sell it or short it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold is a poor investment, averaging a return at or below inflation over the past 60 years. The worst time to buy gold is also the worst time to buy real estate, tech stocks and oil futures&#8230;.when there is a "frenzy" that accelerates the value of an asset beyond the par value of it's use. There is no "gold standard" any longer. Gold's value is almost wholly intrinsic to demand. The value of it's actual use as jewelry or an industrial metal has not changed substantially. This fact assumes that heightened demand or "frenzy" has pressed the value well beyond gold's equilibrium price. In times of crisis gold is NOT the method of currency. Whatever utilized commodity that is in short supply becomes valuable; think Katrina, a flashlight, gasoline or drinking water exponentially inflated in value. The world economy has essentially stabilized gold is being propped up by consumer demand&#8230;demand for a product with a utilizable value that hasn't changed much. When your barber suggests it's time to invest in anything, it's time to sell it or short it.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Gold Will Reach a Record $2,000 in 2010</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/07/28/gold-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-10026</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Gold Will Reach a Record $2,000 in 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Money Morning: The Three Triggers of the Global Gold Bubble. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Money Morning: The Three Triggers of the Global Gold Bubble. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The "Golden Staircase" Points to Record Prices for Gold</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/07/28/gold-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-7325</link>
		<dc:creator>The "Golden Staircase" Points to Record Prices for Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been ardently seeking shelter.  In a late-July special report for Money Morning called &#8220;The Three Triggers of the Global Gold Bubble,&#8221; I told [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been ardently seeking shelter.  In a late-July special report for Money Morning called "The Three Triggers of the Global Gold Bubble," I told [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gold Aims to Retest Record Highs After Breaking Through the $1,000 Mark</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/07/28/gold-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-7326</link>
		<dc:creator>Gold Aims to Retest Record Highs After Breaking Through the $1,000 Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Exchange-traded funds (ETFs) have been a tremendous catalyst for swelling gold demand,&#8221; said Krauth, noting that the SPDR Gold Trust (NYSE: GLD) &#8211; the largest physically backed ETF on the planet &#8211; is now the sixth-biggest holder of gold bullion in the world. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] "Exchange-traded funds (ETFs) have been a tremendous catalyst for swelling gold demand," said Krauth, noting that the SPDR Gold Trust (NYSE: GLD) &#8211; the largest physically backed ETF on the planet &#8211; is now the sixth-biggest holder of gold bullion in the world. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: art youmans</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/07/28/gold-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-7324</link>
		<dc:creator>art youmans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.

I&#039;ve hesitated buying the Exchanged-Traded-Fund &quot;SPDR Gold Trust (GLD)&quot; because I&#039;ve been told that the IRS taxes Americans annually on the gain (like a mutual fund does) even if you never sell GLD. Is this true?

Any suggestions about keeping up with hyperinflation in the future by buying Gold Bullion coins, like the American Eagle Gold coin or miscellaneous rare coins? I haven&#039;t bought any yet but I&#039;m thinking about it. Any suggestions are appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.</p>
<p>I've hesitated buying the Exchanged-Traded-Fund "SPDR Gold Trust (GLD)" because I've been told that the IRS taxes Americans annually on the gain (like a mutual fund does) even if you never sell GLD. Is this true?</p>
<p>Any suggestions about keeping up with hyperinflation in the future by buying Gold Bullion coins, like the American Eagle Gold coin or miscellaneous rare coins? I haven't bought any yet but I'm thinking about it. Any suggestions are appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: saul bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>saul bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and where do you suggest I put the gold? remember 1930&#039;s..our government went into the safedeposit boxes and took the gold..now when purchasing gold we have to surrender our SSI number and who do you think gets that?? and lastly since the last decade all phone calls and internet calls are picked up by the government..and without a warrant..and so now they(the feds) can come into ones house without a warrant and do what they want..there is no place to hide the gold..if one looks back in time it was illegal to own any and if caught one could face a $10,000 fine or 10 years in jail(or both)..what do you think now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and where do you suggest I put the gold? remember 1930's..our government went into the safedeposit boxes and took the gold..now when purchasing gold we have to surrender our SSI number and who do you think gets that?? and lastly since the last decade all phone calls and internet calls are picked up by the government..and without a warrant..and so now they(the feds) can come into ones house without a warrant and do what they want..there is no place to hide the gold..if one looks back in time it was illegal to own any and if caught one could face a $10,000 fine or 10 years in jail(or both)..what do you think now?</p>
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