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	<title>Comments on: Here&#039;s Why the U.S.-China Tire Tiff Could Lead to Great Depression II</title>
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		<title>By: Steel Pipe Probe Could Escalate U.S.-China Trade Feud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steel Pipe Probe Could Escalate U.S.-China Trade Feud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;With the worldwide economy already in a weakened state, a bare-fisted trade war between the world&amp;#8...,&#8221; wrote Money Morning Contributing Editor Martin Hutchinson, a former investment banker with more than 25 years&#8217; experience in the global financial markets. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] "With the worldwide economy already in a weakened state, a bare-fisted trade war between the world&amp;#8&#8230;," wrote Money Morning Contributing Editor Martin Hutchinson, a former investment banker with more than 25 years' experience in the global financial markets. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sharonsj</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharonsj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tariffs might mean less crap coming in from China?  Then by all means let&#039;s have more tariffs!  I&#039;m fed up with Chinese products that either poison you or stop working after three months.  I refuse to buy anything in the supermarket with a Chinese origin.  And I now buy my appliances used.  Why the hell would I pay full price for a new piece of crap?  I learned my lesson after three electric can openers in a row stopped functioning in just a few months.

Meanwhile, all I see are closed businesses being replaced by second-hand stores, flea markets and yard sales.  I know the country is for sale to the highest bidder.  But if something isn&#039;t done about the lost jobs that are NEVER coming back, us &quot;little people&quot; will turn America into a third-world bazaar in order to just survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tariffs might mean less crap coming in from China?  Then by all means let's have more tariffs!  I'm fed up with Chinese products that either poison you or stop working after three months.  I refuse to buy anything in the supermarket with a Chinese origin.  And I now buy my appliances used.  Why the hell would I pay full price for a new piece of crap?  I learned my lesson after three electric can openers in a row stopped functioning in just a few months.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, all I see are closed businesses being replaced by second-hand stores, flea markets and yard sales.  I know the country is for sale to the highest bidder.  But if something isn't done about the lost jobs that are NEVER coming back, us "little people" will turn America into a third-world bazaar in order to just survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My worry is the stupidity of all the people that have been indoctrinated by the corporate and right wing media all their lives to believe that free trade is a magic bullet that cures everything even though there is absolutely no proof of this.  In order to compete with the Chinese, American workers will have to earn $1.50 an hour and live in filth and pollution their whole lives until they die an early death just like the Chinese do.  I want better for my country.  Free traders only care about other rich people like themselves.  Free traders who are not rich are merely foolish, indoctrinated robots who only know how to do what they are told by the rich and powerful whom they worship blindly.  I think all patriotic Americans should want all their fellow Americans to be prosperous, not living in filth and squalor which is the inevitable result of free trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My worry is the stupidity of all the people that have been indoctrinated by the corporate and right wing media all their lives to believe that free trade is a magic bullet that cures everything even though there is absolutely no proof of this.  In order to compete with the Chinese, American workers will have to earn $1.50 an hour and live in filth and pollution their whole lives until they die an early death just like the Chinese do.  I want better for my country.  Free traders only care about other rich people like themselves.  Free traders who are not rich are merely foolish, indoctrinated robots who only know how to do what they are told by the rich and powerful whom they worship blindly.  I think all patriotic Americans should want all their fellow Americans to be prosperous, not living in filth and squalor which is the inevitable result of free trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lower global trade affects all of us. Thanks to a concept called “comparative advantage,” the whole point of trade is that it allows each item to be manufactured in the place that’s most efficient.&quot;

I think you mean the cheapest labor and poorest environmental conditions.

When I see your &quot;ideas&quot; imported from aboard and you without a job or making $8 per hour with no benefits, maybe you&#039;ll get the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Lower global trade affects all of us. Thanks to a concept called “comparative advantage,” the whole point of trade is that it allows each item to be manufactured in the place that’s most efficient."</p>
<p>I think you mean the cheapest labor and poorest environmental conditions.</p>
<p>When I see your "ideas" imported from aboard and you without a job or making $8 per hour with no benefits, maybe you'll get the message.</p>
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		<title>By: walter (jock) mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>walter (jock) mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my worry is the stupidity of thinking that this will somehow help the car unions here in the u.s.   don&#039;t the car union workers buy these cars? also, don&#039;t they also buy other made in china products? where are they not hurt the same as the rest of us?
it seems that all of us, and the u.s. as a whole, are too dumbed down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my worry is the stupidity of thinking that this will somehow help the car unions here in the u.s.   don't the car union workers buy these cars? also, don't they also buy other made in china products? where are they not hurt the same as the rest of us?<br />
it seems that all of us, and the u.s. as a whole, are too dumbed down.</p>
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		<title>By: Protectionism never works</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protectionism never works</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History by itself has demonstrated that protectionism never works, time after time they have been TAXING the american consumer that buys products overseas even when this trade goes into his best interest. Protectionism or TAXING has also made the upgrade in the economy machine sluggish leading it to obsoletism. The bolshevik stalinistic agenda that the social democrats want to lead has, does and will never work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History by itself has demonstrated that protectionism never works, time after time they have been TAXING the american consumer that buys products overseas even when this trade goes into his best interest. Protectionism or TAXING has also made the upgrade in the economy machine sluggish leading it to obsoletism. The bolshevik stalinistic agenda that the social democrats want to lead has, does and will never work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Caunce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Caunce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to the argument, but why are the advertizers for Mr. Hutchinson&#039;s Permanent Wealth Investor given an open window to sell his product in September, when the purchased had to be made in August?

PWI is worth the money, for sure, but that&#039;s a long scroll down for something that is outdated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to the argument, but why are the advertizers for Mr. Hutchinson's Permanent Wealth Investor given an open window to sell his product in September, when the purchased had to be made in August?</p>
<p>PWI is worth the money, for sure, but that's a long scroll down for something that is outdated?</p>
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		<title>By: James H. Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H. Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now is a perfect time for the United States to start a trade war!  Especially with China.

Since we have a trade deficit with most of the world a reduction in our trade would be a net advantage to Americans.  An advantage approximating the stimulus package each and ever year without borrowing.  The problem with a trade war is the adverse effects of the transition as exporters are harmed faster than domestic production can replace imports.  The current recession provides a cushion to that transition.  The unemployed provide an instant labor pool for domestic production to replace outsourced production.  The rest of the world is already not buying out stuff unless there is no other source.   That means that in a tariff driven trade war imports would decline much more than exports.  The dire consequences laid out here are unlikely due to the trade deficit.  Tariffs would damage the global economy but that would be a good thing for the American people.

Mr. Hutchinson exaggerates the 1929-32 trade decline.  True the decline was 66 percent but that is misleading.  The decline was from 6 percent of GDP to 2 percent.  Much to small to justify the claims made here.  Moreover the tariffs of the 1930s were not new.  At the time Smoot-Hawley was introduced, tariffs were already at 40 percent and the United States had been the world’s most tariff protected nation for over a hundred years.  Prosperous years during which all the bad things free traders claim will happen to a trade protected economy never happened.  It is unreasonable to blame the Great Depression of something that had been going on for more that a hundred very prosperous years.

Dumping matters because it cost Americans jobs.    Applying David Ricardo’s theory of “Comparative Advantage” is a misreading of the theory.  Our free trade agreements are inconsistent with both Ricardo’s theory and Adam Smith’s older theory of “Absolute Advantage.”  Under both theories land, labor, and capital are factors of production which the state is obliged to protect.  United States free trade agreements protect capital but with some small exceptions labor is thrown to the wolves by both political parties.  With both Smith and Ricardo trade was about products.  Current trade deals are about cheap labor.  Also both were Christians and intended their theories to be practiced within the framework of Christian morality by which they meant a fair return for land, labor, and capital.  Not capital alone. Under our present trade agreements wages fall faster than prices.  That is reflected in American Average Weekly Earnings which peaked in 1973 and are down since.  The claim that consumers benefit while workers are hurt ignores the fact that for all practical purposes workers and consumers are the same people.

A decline in global trade would help Americans but it would hurt a lot of corporations.  American tire makers did not join complaint because, having already fired American, it is their plants in China that are making the tires.

The promise of free trade has proven to be as fraudulent as a Bernie Madoff account statement.  It is time we end this scam on the American people and develop trade agreements consistent with the theories of Smith and Ricardo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now is a perfect time for the United States to start a trade war!  Especially with China.</p>
<p>Since we have a trade deficit with most of the world a reduction in our trade would be a net advantage to Americans.  An advantage approximating the stimulus package each and ever year without borrowing.  The problem with a trade war is the adverse effects of the transition as exporters are harmed faster than domestic production can replace imports.  The current recession provides a cushion to that transition.  The unemployed provide an instant labor pool for domestic production to replace outsourced production.  The rest of the world is already not buying out stuff unless there is no other source.   That means that in a tariff driven trade war imports would decline much more than exports.  The dire consequences laid out here are unlikely due to the trade deficit.  Tariffs would damage the global economy but that would be a good thing for the American people.</p>
<p>Mr. Hutchinson exaggerates the 1929-32 trade decline.  True the decline was 66 percent but that is misleading.  The decline was from 6 percent of GDP to 2 percent.  Much to small to justify the claims made here.  Moreover the tariffs of the 1930s were not new.  At the time Smoot-Hawley was introduced, tariffs were already at 40 percent and the United States had been the world’s most tariff protected nation for over a hundred years.  Prosperous years during which all the bad things free traders claim will happen to a trade protected economy never happened.  It is unreasonable to blame the Great Depression of something that had been going on for more that a hundred very prosperous years.</p>
<p>Dumping matters because it cost Americans jobs.    Applying David Ricardo’s theory of “Comparative Advantage” is a misreading of the theory.  Our free trade agreements are inconsistent with both Ricardo’s theory and Adam Smith’s older theory of “Absolute Advantage.”  Under both theories land, labor, and capital are factors of production which the state is obliged to protect.  United States free trade agreements protect capital but with some small exceptions labor is thrown to the wolves by both political parties.  With both Smith and Ricardo trade was about products.  Current trade deals are about cheap labor.  Also both were Christians and intended their theories to be practiced within the framework of Christian morality by which they meant a fair return for land, labor, and capital.  Not capital alone. Under our present trade agreements wages fall faster than prices.  That is reflected in American Average Weekly Earnings which peaked in 1973 and are down since.  The claim that consumers benefit while workers are hurt ignores the fact that for all practical purposes workers and consumers are the same people.</p>
<p>A decline in global trade would help Americans but it would hurt a lot of corporations.  American tire makers did not join complaint because, having already fired American, it is their plants in China that are making the tires.</p>
<p>The promise of free trade has proven to be as fraudulent as a Bernie Madoff account statement.  It is time we end this scam on the American people and develop trade agreements consistent with the theories of Smith and Ricardo.</p>
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