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	<title>Comments on: Special Report: How the Government is Setting Us Up for a Second Subprime Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: rafael d.</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-33499</link>
		<dc:creator>rafael d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ginnie and freddy maes are heating the housing market with thier big gannig.But another thing is happenig in the goverment policy that doesn&#039;t meet an equilibrui between supply and demand in a macroeconomic way.this is creating an empty deflation and inflation that doesnt meet an equilibruim.that finacial crisis meet a recovery in the past that doesnt creates and economic expansion in the us economic develoment.In another way the production is high and the housing supose to be low but there is not enough jobs and the people are losing for forclosure their homes and not loans coming up.rafael d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ginnie and freddy maes are heating the housing market with thier big gannig.But another thing is happenig in the goverment policy that doesn't meet an equilibrui between supply and demand in a macroeconomic way.this is creating an empty deflation and inflation that doesnt meet an equilibruim.that finacial crisis meet a recovery in the past that doesnt creates and economic expansion in the us economic develoment.In another way the production is high and the housing supose to be low but there is not enough jobs and the people are losing for forclosure their homes and not loans coming up.rafael d.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-32350</link>
		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BINGO! Kelela</description>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-31873</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FHA is putting people in houses with minimal down and no savings.  If the hot water goes out they can&#039;t even afford to replace it.   Subprime I was about putting everyone in a house.  Subprime II is about putting as many people in houses to manufacture a floor under the housing market and protect the banks.    Whatever happened to 20% down to qualify for a mortgage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FHA is putting people in houses with minimal down and no savings.  If the hot water goes out they can't even afford to replace it.   Subprime I was about putting everyone in a house.  Subprime II is about putting as many people in houses to manufacture a floor under the housing market and protect the banks.    Whatever happened to 20% down to qualify for a mortgage?</p>
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		<title>By: byron j masterson md</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-29413</link>
		<dc:creator>byron j masterson md</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the personal attacks on Ross Perot-an honest  very savy businessman and philanthropist( large gifts to MDAnderson Hospital among others)-the investment bankers and crew who profit from  M and A, overseas fees, et all savaged him-he was  trying  to tell the  less sophistocated American worker that they are being sold out and they were.  Someone should find his graphs and review them-he  was right and  the scum who sold  our country out are now buying our elections  with the profits.

Mr Gilani&#039;s article  is excellent-thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the personal attacks on Ross Perot-an honest  very savy businessman and philanthropist( large gifts to MDAnderson Hospital among others)-the investment bankers and crew who profit from  M and A, overseas fees, et all savaged him-he was  trying  to tell the  less sophistocated American worker that they are being sold out and they were.  Someone should find his graphs and review them-he  was right and  the scum who sold  our country out are now buying our elections  with the profits.</p>
<p>Mr Gilani's article  is excellent-thanks</p>
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		<title>By: wwj</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-28141</link>
		<dc:creator>wwj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the government is also so leveraged just wait until they tell everyone to turn in their gold at the closing bell rate(yes guys like me will keep ours but about 75% is held by five major companies or funds that send you a certificate they will comply).e you t You will be given this fed fiat money and &quot;Dick&quot;  will look at &quot;Jane&quot; and say honey look we doubled our investment on gold let&#039;s spend our profit and by that new truck from Government Motors and new drapes and furniture, thus starting the artificial stimulation and the rampant inflation. Our if you want to hold on to it they will give you treasuries instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the government is also so leveraged just wait until they tell everyone to turn in their gold at the closing bell rate(yes guys like me will keep ours but about 75% is held by five major companies or funds that send you a certificate they will comply).e you t You will be given this fed fiat money and "Dick"  will look at "Jane" and say honey look we doubled our investment on gold let's spend our profit and by that new truck from Government Motors and new drapes and furniture, thus starting the artificial stimulation and the rampant inflation. Our if you want to hold on to it they will give you treasuries instead.</p>
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		<title>By: lpalmer</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-26765</link>
		<dc:creator>lpalmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What to do? What action will make a difference?  How about an alternative economy? How to avoid bad investments and control the rollercoaster ride?  What are the real rules of wealth in these days of challenge to all we have assumed to be stable truths.  Let&#039;s see the list of commandments.  What is real wealth?  What is essential for local government services?  The American way has been and continues to be exploitation.  What are the successful models that are alternatives to exploitation?  We must look to the future for progress and not regress through continuing exploitation. Nothing is free or should be free (except air for breathing), so sustainable clean living is a must.  Is there a financial investing parallel to clean living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to do? What action will make a difference?  How about an alternative economy? How to avoid bad investments and control the rollercoaster ride?  What are the real rules of wealth in these days of challenge to all we have assumed to be stable truths.  Let's see the list of commandments.  What is real wealth?  What is essential for local government services?  The American way has been and continues to be exploitation.  What are the successful models that are alternatives to exploitation?  We must look to the future for progress and not regress through continuing exploitation. Nothing is free or should be free (except air for breathing), so sustainable clean living is a must.  Is there a financial investing parallel to clean living?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Drummond</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-26363</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If voting actually changed thing it would be against the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If voting actually changed thing it would be against the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakeup</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-25466</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakeup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said -- thank you for pointing out the facts.  Anyone that doesn&#039;t see the mirror image to the Fannie and Freddie corruption needs to wake up.  And you&#039;re right, actually beyond those scopes due to the further manipulation by banks and their balance sheet &quot;reporting&quot;.  

I agree, we need jobs in this country or we&#039;ll continue to deteriorate further.  However, this continuous bailout of government and banking failures on the backs of those still working hard needs to stop.  Wake up taxpayers and think about who you&#039;re electing into office -- before it&#039;s too late!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said &#8212; thank you for pointing out the facts.  Anyone that doesn't see the mirror image to the Fannie and Freddie corruption needs to wake up.  And you're right, actually beyond those scopes due to the further manipulation by banks and their balance sheet "reporting".  </p>
<p>I agree, we need jobs in this country or we'll continue to deteriorate further.  However, this continuous bailout of government and banking failures on the backs of those still working hard needs to stop.  Wake up taxpayers and think about who you're electing into office &#8212; before it's too late!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane23</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-24672</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say for sure that all the sub-primes are a fiction, but you&#039;re right on when you say many consumers were funneled into those loans without the opportunity for an informed choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't say for sure that all the sub-primes are a fiction, but you're right on when you say many consumers were funneled into those loans without the opportunity for an informed choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-22176</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collectively ALL politicians that are in office or who have served since 1980 are at fault!
But as long as people like you stupidly think that one side is better than the other,then
America is doomed as this political game is played out! Reagan talked about the deficit in
1980, 30 years ago, and the national debt today is so huge that it is unpayable and
we wil default and have our currency forcefully devauled by the other nations of the
world especially those that hold our debt!!! If John MC Cain had won we would still be
the largest debtor nation in the world!!! The facts of our debt and national problems
do not change based on who the president is because every president inherits the
collective problems of the nation from every president and congress that went before
him!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collectively ALL politicians that are in office or who have served since 1980 are at fault!<br />
But as long as people like you stupidly think that one side is better than the other,then<br />
America is doomed as this political game is played out! Reagan talked about the deficit in<br />
1980, 30 years ago, and the national debt today is so huge that it is unpayable and<br />
we wil default and have our currency forcefully devauled by the other nations of the<br />
world especially those that hold our debt!!! If John MC Cain had won we would still be<br />
the largest debtor nation in the world!!! The facts of our debt and national problems<br />
do not change based on who the president is because every president inherits the<br />
collective problems of the nation from every president and congress that went before<br />
him!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-22174</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been there done that but our esteemed supreme court rejected that remember.
Funny, the supreme court had no problem when term limits for the president then
again it was Franklin D Roosevelt, a democrat so I guess that explains the courts
inconsistency!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been there done that but our esteemed supreme court rejected that remember.<br />
Funny, the supreme court had no problem when term limits for the president then<br />
again it was Franklin D Roosevelt, a democrat so I guess that explains the courts<br />
inconsistency!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-22173</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Comments I agree but most will blindly pursue and follow the mirage</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-22172</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This current economic mess has it&#039;s genesis in two factors; 1) president Nixon taking us off of the gold standard and 2) president Reagan systematically devaluing all labor by firing the air traffic controllers. These two factors combined have caused irreparable damage to all economic activity and will not be corrected any time soon. You say home prices were overvalued and collapsed I say stock prices and ALL paper assets have been and still are overvalued in a similar fashion. Does any body remember 14,000 plus DJIA? These things are all connected and will not be corrected until those in charge finally recognize this and make the hard choices that must be made. Until then these boom bust cycles will continue to repeat with greater ferocity until the system completely collapses! Debt is just a symptom of the problem and there are many symptoms but it is not the cause! If there were no inflation
and a stable dollar backed by gold, silver &amp; platinum existed many of these problems of toxic
assets would not exist. The unlimited creation of fiat paper assets by both the corporate
and government sectors has lead us to where we are today! True wealth comes out of the
ground always has and always will! Paper money is just a convenience used to facilitate economic transactions and activities!!! This current crisis was intentionally created to create
false wealth for those that manipulate paper assets in all it&#039;s various forms. There are always
winners and losers in the manipulated crisis just follow the money and this is clearly revealed!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This current economic mess has it's genesis in two factors; 1) president Nixon taking us off of the gold standard and 2) president Reagan systematically devaluing all labor by firing the air traffic controllers. These two factors combined have caused irreparable damage to all economic activity and will not be corrected any time soon. You say home prices were overvalued and collapsed I say stock prices and ALL paper assets have been and still are overvalued in a similar fashion. Does any body remember 14,000 plus DJIA? These things are all connected and will not be corrected until those in charge finally recognize this and make the hard choices that must be made. Until then these boom bust cycles will continue to repeat with greater ferocity until the system completely collapses! Debt is just a symptom of the problem and there are many symptoms but it is not the cause! If there were no inflation<br />
and a stable dollar backed by gold, silver &amp; platinum existed many of these problems of toxic<br />
assets would not exist. The unlimited creation of fiat paper assets by both the corporate<br />
and government sectors has lead us to where we are today! True wealth comes out of the<br />
ground always has and always will! Paper money is just a convenience used to facilitate economic transactions and activities!!! This current crisis was intentionally created to create<br />
false wealth for those that manipulate paper assets in all it's various forms. There are always<br />
winners and losers in the manipulated crisis just follow the money and this is clearly revealed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jerry banach</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-21710</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry banach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is no value in liability.there is only a price.we do not manage finances,we manage debt.perpetual indebtness is the name of the game.be it yourself,be it government.there is nobody to blame.there are losers,and there are winners.like anything in life,you play it right,or you play it wrong.there are those,who control it.the rest are chess pawns,and off to work they have to go.one job,two jobs.50 hours a week,70 hours per week.chasing the mirage.stop buying houses,and we all can afford them soon.it is about decent,peaceful life,not the debt slavery.chasing the mirage.we are all in it,and there is no solution.play it right,because your work is not worth much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no value in liability.there is only a price.we do not manage finances,we manage debt.perpetual indebtness is the name of the game.be it yourself,be it government.there is nobody to blame.there are losers,and there are winners.like anything in life,you play it right,or you play it wrong.there are those,who control it.the rest are chess pawns,and off to work they have to go.one job,two jobs.50 hours a week,70 hours per week.chasing the mirage.stop buying houses,and we all can afford them soon.it is about decent,peaceful life,not the debt slavery.chasing the mirage.we are all in it,and there is no solution.play it right,because your work is not worth much.</p>
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		<title>By: arthur lee davis</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-21502</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur lee davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very close, and the hit is a direct one, as the target is aligned,as you see it.



                                                    CLEARLY . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very close, and the hit is a direct one, as the target is aligned,as you see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Smith</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-21471</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!, Fellow Citizens:
   Sometimes it&#039;s very hard to go from a conceptionalization to a realization but nonetheless moving towards realizations is inevitable.  However, regards our entire economy, what&#039;s happening tells us what, regards our educational systems encluding those who study for a real estate liicense etc.?  Can our educational systems be trusted for competance, astuteness, relevance, management skills, creative inputs/outputs?  With so many professional people now populating this planet why are our plans failing us?  Billions of $$$&#039;s are spent now learning how to go broke; how to mismanage our finances; allow us to learn to take bribes etc.?  Why is this being allowed in these modern times?  To whom should Obama redistribute the nations wealth....to the unemployed from the employed or should jobs be created for willing workers seeking employment whether they&#039;re long term unemployed or not?  Jobs that were shipped overseas are not coming back to the good ole USA anytime soon are they?  Pluss all jobs need to provide their employees a living wage encluding the capability to purchase a home shouldn&#039;t we agree but when?
Russ Smith, California
resmith@wcisp.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!, Fellow Citizens:<br />
   Sometimes it's very hard to go from a conceptionalization to a realization but nonetheless moving towards realizations is inevitable.  However, regards our entire economy, what's happening tells us what, regards our educational systems encluding those who study for a real estate liicense etc.?  Can our educational systems be trusted for competance, astuteness, relevance, management skills, creative inputs/outputs?  With so many professional people now populating this planet why are our plans failing us?  Billions of $$$'s are spent now learning how to go broke; how to mismanage our finances; allow us to learn to take bribes etc.?  Why is this being allowed in these modern times?  To whom should Obama redistribute the nations wealth&#8230;.to the unemployed from the employed or should jobs be created for willing workers seeking employment whether they're long term unemployed or not?  Jobs that were shipped overseas are not coming back to the good ole USA anytime soon are they?  Pluss all jobs need to provide their employees a living wage encluding the capability to purchase a home shouldn't we agree but when?<br />
Russ Smith, California<br />
resmith@wcisp.com</p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19540</link>
		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 12:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How APT,is Johns comment,but not even the half of it,not even touched on the primary education,and,criminality,in the Ghettos.Education,Education,has COST,COST,COST,with poor results.Socialbility has disappeared,envy and malice,has replaced it !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How APT,is Johns comment,but not even the half of it,not even touched on the primary education,and,criminality,in the Ghettos.Education,Education,has COST,COST,COST,with poor results.Socialbility has disappeared,envy and malice,has replaced it !</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-18398</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you expect for shacking up.  Get married and half your problems will go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you expect for shacking up.  Get married and half your problems will go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cote</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-18109</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard Cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget it was popular on both side. Remember one time head of HUD and former NY Republican Congressman Jack Kemp came up (correctly) with the &quot;ownership society&quot; concept that Barney Frank opposed. &quot;People don&#039;t destroy what they own.&quot; He wanted to eliminate &quot;public housing projects&quot; and reduce renting. Frank countered, &quot;Some people shouldn&#039;t be allowed to own their own home.&quot;

The problem was not the idea, &quot;Home owners make for better citizens.&quot; The problem was the government bureaucracy to make it happen in a way designed to both fail and make the banks lots of money in the process. [Dodd and Frank, were the biggest recipients of contributions from the banking sector].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't forget it was popular on both side. Remember one time head of HUD and former NY Republican Congressman Jack Kemp came up (correctly) with the "ownership society" concept that Barney Frank opposed. "People don't destroy what they own." He wanted to eliminate "public housing projects" and reduce renting. Frank countered, "Some people shouldn't be allowed to own their own home."</p>
<p>The problem was not the idea, "Home owners make for better citizens." The problem was the government bureaucracy to make it happen in a way designed to both fail and make the banks lots of money in the process. [Dodd and Frank, were the biggest recipients of contributions from the banking sector].</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not that people &quot;don&#039;t study history&quot;. The authors of the history books have a political bias to tell only their side. If their policies failed, they write a book claiming it was a success. People then study the false history and make the same mistakes. Remember &quot;He who controls the past controls the future.&quot;

After all how many of you learned from history that Columbus wanted to prove the world was round not flat; or that he called the people he discovered &quot;Indians&quot; because he thought he was in India?

Propably 90% of you. But both things are absolute fictions. 
Never in Western History did people think the earth was flat. The ancient Greeks assumed it was a perfect sphere and built statues of Atlas holding up sherical shape earths. This was established philiosophical fact. So ingrained was the idea that 10th century monks calculated the circumfrence of the earth (correct to with 1000 miles of what we now know) and in the 12th century got it to within 100 miles. 

Columbus called the people Indians because he thought he got to the &quot;Indies&quot; a term then used for all the island chains off the cost of China all the way to India. (including Japan - where he thought he had landed, the Philipenes, Indonesia, etc)

They did not call themselves Japanese, but Arawaks, so he figured he wasn&#039;t on the main Island of Japan. On future voyages he explored the whole coast of Nicaragua, but didnt make landfall because he didn&#039;t see the cities and ports of China that he knew should be there. But never once did he ever think he was in India.
 
People don&#039;t make the same mistakes because they &quot;didn&#039;t learn&quot;, they make the same mistakes because they &quot;did learn&quot; what they &quot;were taught&quot; which was wrong.

Bush did the same mistakes as Hoover, because he was under the mistaken understanding that Hoover did nothing. Instead he wanted to do &quot;something&quot; so that he wouldn&#039;t be Hoover.. So what did he do? The same mistakes that Hoover made. And the Democrats response is that &quot;Bush did nothing just like Hoover&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not that people "don't study history". The authors of the history books have a political bias to tell only their side. If their policies failed, they write a book claiming it was a success. People then study the false history and make the same mistakes. Remember "He who controls the past controls the future."</p>
<p>After all how many of you learned from history that Columbus wanted to prove the world was round not flat; or that he called the people he discovered "Indians" because he thought he was in India?</p>
<p>Propably 90% of you. But both things are absolute fictions.<br />
Never in Western History did people think the earth was flat. The ancient Greeks assumed it was a perfect sphere and built statues of Atlas holding up sherical shape earths. This was established philiosophical fact. So ingrained was the idea that 10th century monks calculated the circumfrence of the earth (correct to with 1000 miles of what we now know) and in the 12th century got it to within 100 miles. </p>
<p>Columbus called the people Indians because he thought he got to the "Indies" a term then used for all the island chains off the cost of China all the way to India. (including Japan &#8211; where he thought he had landed, the Philipenes, Indonesia, etc)</p>
<p>They did not call themselves Japanese, but Arawaks, so he figured he wasn't on the main Island of Japan. On future voyages he explored the whole coast of Nicaragua, but didnt make landfall because he didn't see the cities and ports of China that he knew should be there. But never once did he ever think he was in India.</p>
<p>People don't make the same mistakes because they "didn't learn", they make the same mistakes because they "did learn" what they "were taught" which was wrong.</p>
<p>Bush did the same mistakes as Hoover, because he was under the mistaken understanding that Hoover did nothing. Instead he wanted to do "something" so that he wouldn't be Hoover.. So what did he do? The same mistakes that Hoover made. And the Democrats response is that "Bush did nothing just like Hoover".</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cote</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2009/09/23/subprime-crisis-2/comment-page-1/#comment-18106</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard Cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reason that it is not getting any traction because it is not true. 

There have always been defaults on mortgages. But there have been no &quot;no documentation loans&quot; that is total fiction. My girlfriend bought a condo in 2005, the very height of the market, but she had no choice. It took over 5 months of running back and forth to banks, the FHA, and several mortgage brokers, nearly every day. She had an income of nearly $50,000 working 2 jobs, excellent credit, and the condo was $125,000, it was the 3rd one she looked at, because of the endless demands for documentation, and the banks wouldn&#039;t loan her less than $125,000 she wasn&#039;t able to close on the first 2. She was not one of those ficticious minimum wage workers buying a half million dollar palacial estate in the Hamptons that the news media keeps claiming. But she was funneled into a &quot;sub-prime&quot; varaible interest loan with the promise that when rates go down so would the mortgage rate. One year later the rates went down, and her mortgage went fron 7.25% to the maximum allowed under contract of 12.25% her payment went from about $900 / month to almost $1500 per month. We have been desperately paying down the principle and have gotton the occassional, rate reduction, and have not missed or even been late on a payment. But the rate increase did severe economic damage to our plans. Most of the home buyers were in the same boat. You couldn&#039;t get a fixed rate loan between 2004 and 2006. Banks used any excuse they could find to push varaible rate and interest only loans. The higher the rate the higher the commission.

The reason for the mortgage meltdown was 2 fold. The oil price spike caused a severe economic slowdown, and developers overbuilt expensive properties in economicly weak areas. [the luxury condo craze in Las Vegas for example, &quot;rust belt&quot; revival crreated by the SUV craze] - loss of short term growth that was clearly not sustainable, and the massive government spending increases of the Bush administration.

Government has always been obsessed with maximizing &quot;growth rates&quot; and forgets that every &quot;ghost town&quot; was once a &quot;boom town&quot;. When the economy slows down to try and get back to where it should be, government steps in to &quot;stimulate&quot; it. And there in lies the real problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason that it is not getting any traction because it is not true. </p>
<p>There have always been defaults on mortgages. But there have been no "no documentation loans" that is total fiction. My girlfriend bought a condo in 2005, the very height of the market, but she had no choice. It took over 5 months of running back and forth to banks, the FHA, and several mortgage brokers, nearly every day. She had an income of nearly $50,000 working 2 jobs, excellent credit, and the condo was $125,000, it was the 3rd one she looked at, because of the endless demands for documentation, and the banks wouldn't loan her less than $125,000 she wasn't able to close on the first 2. She was not one of those ficticious minimum wage workers buying a half million dollar palacial estate in the Hamptons that the news media keeps claiming. But she was funneled into a "sub-prime" varaible interest loan with the promise that when rates go down so would the mortgage rate. One year later the rates went down, and her mortgage went fron 7.25% to the maximum allowed under contract of 12.25% her payment went from about $900 / month to almost $1500 per month. We have been desperately paying down the principle and have gotton the occassional, rate reduction, and have not missed or even been late on a payment. But the rate increase did severe economic damage to our plans. Most of the home buyers were in the same boat. You couldn't get a fixed rate loan between 2004 and 2006. Banks used any excuse they could find to push varaible rate and interest only loans. The higher the rate the higher the commission.</p>
<p>The reason for the mortgage meltdown was 2 fold. The oil price spike caused a severe economic slowdown, and developers overbuilt expensive properties in economicly weak areas. [the luxury condo craze in Las Vegas for example, "rust belt" revival crreated by the SUV craze] &#8211; loss of short term growth that was clearly not sustainable, and the massive government spending increases of the Bush administration.</p>
<p>Government has always been obsessed with maximizing "growth rates" and forgets that every "ghost town" was once a "boom town". When the economy slows down to try and get back to where it should be, government steps in to "stimulate" it. And there in lies the real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t get them and they weren&#039;t before. 

This &quot;sub-prime&quot; claim is a fiction, a red herring. A recent studyconcluded that nearly all of the &quot;sub-prime&quot; / high interest rate loans, should have been low interest / &quot;prime mortgages&quot; but the consumers were funneled into them without a choice. People were not given the choice of a fixed 20-year 4% loan, and a 30 year 3% fixed rate loan. Nor were they ever sold a variable rate loan with a low starting &quot;teaser&quot; rate. To the contrary, home buyers were given moderate rates and told that they would go down when interest rates went down, and that the following year they would at not cost get a refinance at a lower rate when the value of the home went up. Many people were &quot;forced into the market&quot;  as their rental properties were being converted to condos and sold, or their rents were being driven up by local market conditions, and tax increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don't get them and they weren't before. </p>
<p>This "sub-prime" claim is a fiction, a red herring. A recent studyconcluded that nearly all of the "sub-prime" / high interest rate loans, should have been low interest / "prime mortgages" but the consumers were funneled into them without a choice. People were not given the choice of a fixed 20-year 4% loan, and a 30 year 3% fixed rate loan. Nor were they ever sold a variable rate loan with a low starting "teaser" rate. To the contrary, home buyers were given moderate rates and told that they would go down when interest rates went down, and that the following year they would at not cost get a refinance at a lower rate when the value of the home went up. Many people were "forced into the market"  as their rental properties were being converted to condos and sold, or their rents were being driven up by local market conditions, and tax increases.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dodwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dodwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say &#039;when a butterfly flaps it&#039;s wings on one side of the planet a wind is felt on the other side&#039; or something like that! It is incredulous that Politicians or Civil Servants introduce policies in order to achieve some goal or other, only to create a by-product, that often has devastating consequences on a hitherto apparently unforeseen area of our economy. In the UK, the influx of Eastern European cheap labour, in the &#039;good times&#039; which occurred up to only 3 years ago, are now causing the unemployment of traditional UK workers (with mortgages). I recently had to lay off most of my workforce due to lack of work and decided to make a cold call at a project I lost out on. Not only was all the workforce Eastern European, the site manager, normally almost always an experienced, fully trained UK individual, was also an Eastern European. The E E labour rates I am aware are less than half of that of the competitive UK employees rates and would not be enough to pay off a UK mortgage anyway.. In hindsight this was bound to happen in a down-turn in the economy. The alarming thing is, the people who are paid with public taxes, and there are enough of them, don&#039;t seem to think these policies out ...where is the Risk Assessment in terms of down side. Did anybody bring up this down side possibility. This situation seems to be prevalent on both sides of the Atlantic. Politicions want to make radical changes in areas where even a previously bad deal is best left alone, or at least only tweeked occasionally. We seem to jump from one radical policy to another..&#039;frying pan into fire&#039;  then visa versa.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say 'when a butterfly flaps it's wings on one side of the planet a wind is felt on the other side' or something like that! It is incredulous that Politicians or Civil Servants introduce policies in order to achieve some goal or other, only to create a by-product, that often has devastating consequences on a hitherto apparently unforeseen area of our economy. In the UK, the influx of Eastern European cheap labour, in the 'good times' which occurred up to only 3 years ago, are now causing the unemployment of traditional UK workers (with mortgages). I recently had to lay off most of my workforce due to lack of work and decided to make a cold call at a project I lost out on. Not only was all the workforce Eastern European, the site manager, normally almost always an experienced, fully trained UK individual, was also an Eastern European. The E E labour rates I am aware are less than half of that of the competitive UK employees rates and would not be enough to pay off a UK mortgage anyway.. In hindsight this was bound to happen in a down-turn in the economy. The alarming thing is, the people who are paid with public taxes, and there are enough of them, don't seem to think these policies out &#8230;where is the Risk Assessment in terms of down side. Did anybody bring up this down side possibility. This situation seems to be prevalent on both sides of the Atlantic. Politicions want to make radical changes in areas where even a previously bad deal is best left alone, or at least only tweeked occasionally. We seem to jump from one radical policy to another..'frying pan into fire'  then visa versa.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TERM LIMITS NOW  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Nazem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Nazem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the US economic stable, the bigger the pile of manure our government makes, the more the opportunity to find ponies like Ford and other ten-baggers. Lets focus on finding these gems, not carping on the well- documented ineptitude of the Government. These are indeed the worst of times and could be the very best of times if we choose to keep our eyes on the sliver of light that are shinning through, here and there.   
Fred Nazem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the US economic stable, the bigger the pile of manure our government makes, the more the opportunity to find ponies like Ford and other ten-baggers. Lets focus on finding these gems, not carping on the well- documented ineptitude of the Government. These are indeed the worst of times and could be the very best of times if we choose to keep our eyes on the sliver of light that are shinning through, here and there.<br />
Fred Nazem</p>
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