There is no correlation between rising CO2 and global temperature.

There is no observed evidence of the speeding up of Artic warming.

There are no observations that Greenland is melting faster.

There are no observations that show the Antartic Western sheet is doning something it has not done in the past.

How can so many wrong statements be in one post?

Those who think a science degree is needed to understand straight forward logic are fuel for puppet-masters who scam the world.

It would be more fruitful to pursue those who critique the GW alarmists. There are thousands more scientists who are opposed to GW pseudo science than who are conned by it. Many have signed published accords.

Okay – let's try basic logic – no need for science degrees.
The Last Ice Age peaked around 18,000 years ago.
Then it started to melt and by 10,000 years ago we had what is generally considered to be the end of the Last Ice Age.

What caused that to happen?
Answer – global warming!!!
Where was man?
Huddled in caves and tropical areas and probably numbered fewer people worldwide than now populates Western Europe (300 million).
Did they cause global warming? Hardly.

GW is a long cycle repeating phenomenon. A version of it occurs every 1,500 years and is unstoppable. (Google that = book title).

Yes, we had global warming. It was seized on as an opportuntiy by globalists to manipulate nations and global policies for UN control.
Check those who have participated in the process and became critics – some American, some Russian.

Digging deeper you will find that warming precedes CO2 build-up by hundreds of years – going back millennia in earth's record.
Vostock ice cores and others. Check it out.
CO2 does not cause global warming. That is flat out fraud. It is NOT science by any stretch.

1) Quoting AP stories and UN hacks regarding climate, as if these people have any clue or credibility about what they are talking about is laughable, and exposes the poster as as having highly questionable intellect. Unfortunately, far too many simply parrot what they've heard or read and are unable to analyze or think for themselves. This includes the simple observations in ones own life. I won't comment on Al Gore, he isn't worthy.

2) Martin's skepticism was presented in a very polite way, obviously wanting to make a point without angering or alienating … I applaud that and admire it … if only our elected officials could do the same. The skepticism is extremely well-founded. Unfortunately, I don't have Martins skill set in this area.

3) Those of you still drinking the koolaid for the 'man-made global warming' myth are the same people who screamed that we would for sure nuke ourselves (not), that we could NEVER feed or sustain 7 billion people on the planet (yet we are) that the Oceans would be dead not now, but 1 or 2 decades ago (but they're not), that we would all die from a new ice age (wrong), now we will die from a slow roasting (also wrong) … it NEVER ends with you folks and you know who you are. I should have been dead about 10 times over by now. You are emotionally dysfunctional and intellectually dishonest, and selfish and narcississtic … you really do believe everyone else should just go away or not even be born so you can live in some mythical utopia.

4) I cannot recall anybody, ever, being against a cleaner planet, better tech, better methods … a lot has been done in the last 40 years across a vast expanse of industries. Truly the World is in a much better position today to deal with these issues than in the 1800's or even up through the mid-20th century … lets tell the truth, debate, and SOLVE things through sensible changes and improvements not choose to go down the path of insanity and inaninity just so we can fool ourselves into 'feeling better.' By the way, lots of countries need sewage treatment plants far worse than a phony CO2 reduction … think people, really, just this once …

The attempt of the global warming alarmists to shut down debate has increased my skepticism. For one thing, it has focused my attention on just how many of them make a very nice living out of alarmism.

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So your focus is on "How to make a living on global warming."

And then you make your living telling everyone else how it's done.

And then you say use sandbags on the Maldives. Brilliant.

Would you please replace my post with this corrected version? -Many Thanks – G55

Quoting Trey Gilmore :
“Why not compare and contrast your credentials in the sciences v. the 2,500 scientists who make the case for global warming? ”

31,478 American Scientists (myself included) have signed a petition that says there is no scientific justification for any action to avoid global warming.

9,029 of those hold PhDs including the signature featured on the welcome page(link below) – Edward Teller.

I am quite proud to share this cause with Dr. Teller, even if posthumously on his part.
Geophys55

31,478 American Scientist (myself included) have signed a petition that says there is no scientific justification for any action to avoid global warming.

9,029 of those hold PhDs including the signature featured on the welcome page(link below) – Edward Teller.

I am quite proud to share this cause with Dr. Teller, even if posthumously on his part.
Geophys55

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Since the late 60's, we have lived under ever mor stringent rules governing refrigerants in an effort to stop breaking down the ozone layer, despite more than 40 years of study indicating that it has not changed in size at all. The requirements have already been prescribed for another 10 years although they have been shown to have no benefit. Global warming is just another in this series of efforts to gain control by scare tactics,

Not only is carbon dioxide heavier than air, but it stimulates plant growht, which has been demonstrated to lower global temperatures. The proposed restrictions will be counter productive, and horrifically expensive.

(1) The attempt of the global warming alarmists to shut down debate has increased my skepticism. For one thing, it has focused my attention on just how many of them make a very nice living out of alarmism. As for the politicians, for many of them the primary goal is to control the economy, and extract rents by doing so.

Exactly. Global Warming Alarmism is simply a way for some unsavory characters to rape, pillage, and plunder the population, all based on a lie.

(2) However, NASA reported Sept. 3 that the sun is in the deepest sunspot minimum for nearly a century, far beyond normal cyclical norms.

That is the REAL cause of global warming and cooling right there – the sun. A more active sun generates a stronger magnetic field, manifesting itself in more sunspots. The stronger solar magnetic field repels more of the cosmic rays entering the solar system. More cosmic rays repelled leaves fewer to reach Earth (and the other planets) and ionize molecules that form clouds in Earth's atmosphere. Fewer clouds formed allows more of the sun's energy to reach the surface and warm the planet. A less active sun does the reverse. The minimal number of sunspots signals further cooling ahead.

(3) My energy ethics teacher had a poster in her class that read “The earth has a cancer and that cancer is man”.

That illustrates very well how hatred of humanity is the real main driver behind most "environmental" movements. Sure, they attract followers who have a sincere interest in protecting the environment from unnecessary and destructive exploitation, but look at the leaders. They are described very well by those who support rolling back the gains in individual liberty from the American Revolution and in standards of living from the Industrial Revolution, and dragging humanity back into the old medieval feudal system where a few elites live well literally off the labor of the rest of the population, who are condemned to a subsistence living, and governments support favored corporations or institutions with tax money. Clearly such a position is a loser if openly admitted, so such people resort to deception and fraud. There was another article, but I forget where, that pointed out how greenie groups even objected to wind, hydroelectric, and even geothermal power, clean energy sources that they supposedly support. The underlying thing the projects had in common – they started gaining the capability to power significant shares of industry.

(4) "…but in the end growth in a world of fixed size and resources…"

That's a false premise, and one that should not be relied upon. A great example to illustrate why resources are not fixed is oil. Oil became a resource once man figured out a use for it. Before a use was found for oil, it was merely a smelly and sticky nuisance. As the economy develops further and further, uses are found for more and more things that were not viewed as useful before, thereby EXPANDING the world's resources. Technology also advances, allowing more resources to be recoverable, thereby expanding the resource pool again.

On an historical note, it was Leif Ericsson, Eric the Red's son, that found the grapes.

If you use numbers for investment calculations rather than bankrupt conservative sloganeering, the facts of global warming are indisputable. To deny them is a religious act, not the hard-headed rationality right-wingers take such unearned pride in.

We would receive, during school, news letters that would give us general data about almost anything science or physics related. One of the pieces of information was the average temp. of the earth as it would be calculated periodically. Back in the 60's when I was going to school, the earth's temperature average hovered around 62 deg. It does not take much science to realize that if the earth's average temp. is above freezing, there would have to be global warming. Do you remember learning that the mountains, lakes, oceans and rivers were all created by ice, and the subsiquent retreating? What made them melt?-Global warming. Have you ever looked at a proportional cross cut of the earth? Mankind is so minor they do not even show up. The nature of things is global warming during this cycle of millions of years. There will be another cycle after this is over, but mankind will have absolutely no control over the sequence of events. The solar system is expanding, the earth is moving from the sun, the sun is using its fuel, new stars and plants are being born and discovered continuously. Mankind will have to learn and adjust. But thinking we are "got like" is a sad commentary on how little we actually use our brain. In short, there is nothing we can do about global warming. We can keep the air clean, but we can't control the natural direction of things.

Here are some snippets from an article published by AP on September 24th (apnews.myway.com/article/20090924/D9ATUU500.html), with my comments in []:

WASHINGTON (AP) – Earth's temperature is likely to jump nearly 6 degrees between now and the end of the century even if every country cuts greenhouse gas emissions as proposed, according to a United Nations update.

"We are headed toward very serious changes in our planet," said Achim Steiner, head of the U.N.'s environment program, which issued the update on Thursday.

Even if the developed world cuts its emissions by 80 percent and the developing world cuts theirs in half by 2050, as some experts propose, the world is still facing a 3-degree (1.7 degree Celsius) increase by the end of the century, said Robert Corell, a prominent U.S. climate scientist who helped oversee the update.

The U.N.'s environment program unveiled the update on peer-reviewed climate change science to tell diplomats how hot the planet is getting. The last big report from the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [which you refer to] came out more than two years ago and is based on science that is at least three to four years old, Steiner said.

Global warming is speeding up, especially in the Arctic, and that means that some top-level science projections from 2007 are already out of date and overly optimistic. Corell, who headed an assessment of warming in the Arctic, said global warming "is accelerating in ways that we are not anticipating."

Because Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets are melting far faster than thought, it looks like the seas will rise twice as fast as projected just three years ago, Corell said. He said seas should rise about a foot every 20 to 25 years.

Other problems that have worsened since the 2007 report include the oceans getting more acidic – a threat to some sea creatures…

[including the nearly 30% reduction in tropical coral reefs worldwide since 1980, due mainly to global warming. At the current rate of emission growth, tropical corals and the ecosystem of fish which depend on them could be gone by the middle to end of this century. Over 100 million people depend on coral reefs for their livelihood. Coral reefs are also nurseries for many deep-ocean fish which could disappear without them. See oceana.org/climate/solutions/oceana/acidtest]

…and projections for regular long-term droughts in the U.S. Southwest.

"As sobering as this report is, it is not the worst case scenario," said U.S. Rep. Edward J. Markey, co-author of the bill that passed the U.S. House. "That would be if the world does nothing and allows heat-trapping pollution to continue to spew unchecked into the atmosphere."

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The permafrost in the Arctic is also melting, releasing methane gas, which is at least 20 times as powerful a greenhouse gas as CO2. Many scientists believe that a smillar release of methane gas from methane hydrates was a major cause of the "Great Dying" 250 million years ago, the greatest extinction event ever, with up to 96 percent of all marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event.

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