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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 11:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry - 

Everything you have said about &quot;here&quot; is right - commit a serious crime in China and you are never seen again. Be unproductive, and you do not eat. 

I have lived here for close to two years in Shanghai and I have traveled to almost every corner of China, and I too was enamored by their ability to DO -- for a short while. It is very refreshing coming from the US and seeing streets be redone in a matter of days and buildings go up in a matter of months. Its refreshing to see murderers sent &quot;away&quot; and the wastrels of society not living off of the &quot;do-ers&quot; tax money.

However, what you (and most people) fail to grasp on your three week or one month or six week trips galavanting around China is that the definitions of serious crime and what leads to the have-nots of this society &quot;not having&quot;. A serious crime in the country can be anything from stealing a loaf of bread in some areas to murdering your Neighbor. 

The problem is there IS NO JUSTICE SYSTEM. No protection for citizens. Everyone lives in fear, including me as an ex-pat. All the while migrant workers are being executed for stealing Ipods while the richest men in china, and even the middle class small business owners, are receiving and giving kick backs and bribes in the amounts of 100 of millions of RMB every single day. You cannot do business here without getting your hand very, very dirty and that is not capitalism to me. 

To that point, I have watched my friend beat to within an inch of his life because he offended the wrong person... and when we called the police they watched while it happened. Moreover, to my point before about murdering neighbors, a man was just release for jail after 15 years when the neighbor he murdered suddenly showed back up for a government hand out only available in their hometown. It was a government sponsored conspiracy in shenzhen against the guy put away because he refused to move his factory.

If you did more than just took pictures and boarded airplanes in China, you would probably see it in a little bit of a different light.

I will thank China for one thing; I have a new found respect for freedom of speech, government, regulations, police officers, and the justice system. Things we take for granted, and more often than not protest against and bitch about, are sorely missed when they are taken away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry &#8211; </p>
<p>Everything you have said about "here" is right &#8211; commit a serious crime in China and you are never seen again. Be unproductive, and you do not eat. </p>
<p>I have lived here for close to two years in Shanghai and I have traveled to almost every corner of China, and I too was enamored by their ability to DO &#8212; for a short while. It is very refreshing coming from the US and seeing streets be redone in a matter of days and buildings go up in a matter of months. Its refreshing to see murderers sent "away" and the wastrels of society not living off of the "do-ers" tax money.</p>
<p>However, what you (and most people) fail to grasp on your three week or one month or six week trips galavanting around China is that the definitions of serious crime and what leads to the have-nots of this society "not having". A serious crime in the country can be anything from stealing a loaf of bread in some areas to murdering your Neighbor. </p>
<p>The problem is there IS NO JUSTICE SYSTEM. No protection for citizens. Everyone lives in fear, including me as an ex-pat. All the while migrant workers are being executed for stealing Ipods while the richest men in china, and even the middle class small business owners, are receiving and giving kick backs and bribes in the amounts of 100 of millions of RMB every single day. You cannot do business here without getting your hand very, very dirty and that is not capitalism to me. </p>
<p>To that point, I have watched my friend beat to within an inch of his life because he offended the wrong person&#8230; and when we called the police they watched while it happened. Moreover, to my point before about murdering neighbors, a man was just release for jail after 15 years when the neighbor he murdered suddenly showed back up for a government hand out only available in their hometown. It was a government sponsored conspiracy in shenzhen against the guy put away because he refused to move his factory.</p>
<p>If you did more than just took pictures and boarded airplanes in China, you would probably see it in a little bit of a different light.</p>
<p>I will thank China for one thing; I have a new found respect for freedom of speech, government, regulations, police officers, and the justice system. Things we take for granted, and more often than not protest against and bitch about, are sorely missed when they are taken away.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its hard to think long term when you are worried about the next election, unlike western democracy China does not have this restriction. It is time for western politicians to stop being selfish and think of their countries future and kids. Such a brave person would be suprised by the support of the masses as most voters think long term and want to leave the world a better place for the next generation. Long term thinking is the key to sustainable prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its hard to think long term when you are worried about the next election, unlike western democracy China does not have this restriction. It is time for western politicians to stop being selfish and think of their countries future and kids. Such a brave person would be suprised by the support of the masses as most voters think long term and want to leave the world a better place for the next generation. Long term thinking is the key to sustainable prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Elder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always amusing when otherwise intelligent people call present day China communist. By what measure would you call the most successful example of capitalism in the past 20 years collectivist, communist, or even socialist? 

As to China&#039;s long term future, building infrastructure and planning ahead to encourage growth can certainly produce better results than the bankster kleptocracy clusterfuck that the USA is saddled with.  But in the long run it can&#039;t triumph over the laws of physics and mathematics.  Exponential growth of anything-- population, energy use, automobile production, or an economy is physically impossible. At a 8% growth rate, it  takes less than a century  to leave only one square meter of the earths surface for each human or automobile. 

The maximum amount of oil per year that will ever be produced from the earth&#039;s finite resource is 85-90 mbd, and that peak likely was reached 2 years ago and has plateaued or is on a downward slope.  If China&#039;s population were to  reach the US standard of auto ownership it would require they use all the worlds&#039; oil supply or that the cars never drive anywhere on all those new roads being built.  Perhaps they could serve as residences like they now do in the US for people forced from their homes by foreclosure.

China gets 70% of its total energy supply from coal, and at current rates of growth will reach its maximum peak in terms of energy content within 15 years. Imports from Australia can&#039;t begin to fire all the boilers under construction. There is no way that any effort to develop wind and solar can fill the depletion gap and support continued growth in energy production in the time frame available.

Fossil fuel energy is the lifeblood of industrial society and agriculture, and without growth in energy supply China&#039;s industrialization has no possibility of continued long term exponential growth no matter what its leaders do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always amusing when otherwise intelligent people call present day China communist. By what measure would you call the most successful example of capitalism in the past 20 years collectivist, communist, or even socialist? </p>
<p>As to China's long term future, building infrastructure and planning ahead to encourage growth can certainly produce better results than the bankster kleptocracy clusterfuck that the USA is saddled with.  But in the long run it can't triumph over the laws of physics and mathematics.  Exponential growth of anything&#8211; population, energy use, automobile production, or an economy is physically impossible. At a 8% growth rate, it  takes less than a century  to leave only one square meter of the earths surface for each human or automobile. </p>
<p>The maximum amount of oil per year that will ever be produced from the earth's finite resource is 85-90 mbd, and that peak likely was reached 2 years ago and has plateaued or is on a downward slope.  If China's population were to  reach the US standard of auto ownership it would require they use all the worlds' oil supply or that the cars never drive anywhere on all those new roads being built.  Perhaps they could serve as residences like they now do in the US for people forced from their homes by foreclosure.</p>
<p>China gets 70% of its total energy supply from coal, and at current rates of growth will reach its maximum peak in terms of energy content within 15 years. Imports from Australia can't begin to fire all the boilers under construction. There is no way that any effort to develop wind and solar can fill the depletion gap and support continued growth in energy production in the time frame available.</p>
<p>Fossil fuel energy is the lifeblood of industrial society and agriculture, and without growth in energy supply China's industrialization has no possibility of continued long term exponential growth no matter what its leaders do.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone interested in global investing is doing themselves and their families a disservice not visiting China and see this country up close and personal. I spent 3 weeks there last year and visited their major cities. It was the most eye opening experience of my life. I am 65 and have been all over the world. IMHO this is the most capitalistic country in the world. They have no crime and no welfare. If you are unproductive you don&#039;t eat. Commit a serious crime and you also don&#039;t eat ever again. Try to imagine what the US could be with no crime or welfare and the liberals wanting everyone to be a victim and letting the nanny state take care of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone interested in global investing is doing themselves and their families a disservice not visiting China and see this country up close and personal. I spent 3 weeks there last year and visited their major cities. It was the most eye opening experience of my life. I am 65 and have been all over the world. IMHO this is the most capitalistic country in the world. They have no crime and no welfare. If you are unproductive you don't eat. Commit a serious crime and you also don't eat ever again. Try to imagine what the US could be with no crime or welfare and the liberals wanting everyone to be a victim and letting the nanny state take care of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Heino Hinrichsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heino Hinrichsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked in china for many years, The growth is just amazing, They plan for the future not just a few years or until the next election. and its huge plans, i think the last big plan in the States was the Hoover Dam. They are leaving the whole world behind. And people thats a fact!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked in china for many years, The growth is just amazing, They plan for the future not just a few years or until the next election. and its huge plans, i think the last big plan in the States was the Hoover Dam. They are leaving the whole world behind. And people thats a fact!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points!!

I agree it&#039;s just a correction, and trigerred by goverment force plus background situation, which is a right lead for now. Anybody go there to see and understand what&#039;s happenning would realize the points, the key is it&#039;s the most powerful growing economic nation right now.

Any markets are always up and down, and my prediction for current China stock market is between 2900-3500 shaking for a while. Let&#039;s see how we can profit from it is most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points!!</p>
<p>I agree it's just a correction, and trigerred by goverment force plus background situation, which is a right lead for now. Anybody go there to see and understand what's happenning would realize the points, the key is it's the most powerful growing economic nation right now.</p>
<p>Any markets are always up and down, and my prediction for current China stock market is between 2900-3500 shaking for a while. Let's see how we can profit from it is most important.</p>
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		<title>By: ungsuh kenneth park</title>
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		<dc:creator>ungsuh kenneth park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the 30 years of near continuous growth in Korea, we experienced four times of real estate bubbles. The average real estate price jumped each time by about 300 to 400 %.  However we never experienced burst of any of these bubbles because of the simple fact that  real estate supply is fixed and the price jumps as more liquidity becomes available to the community. 
Rapid growth is always associated with mild inflationary condition and people knew that real estate is the best protection against  inflation. Korean finacial sector was, however,  basically a closed economy during the most of high growth period, and China is very open for portfolio investment and speculative investment. And real estate supply of China is far more flexible than in Korea. My feeling is that except in the center of major cities of China, the real estate bubbles will have to burst from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the 30 years of near continuous growth in Korea, we experienced four times of real estate bubbles. The average real estate price jumped each time by about 300 to 400 %.  However we never experienced burst of any of these bubbles because of the simple fact that  real estate supply is fixed and the price jumps as more liquidity becomes available to the community.<br />
Rapid growth is always associated with mild inflationary condition and people knew that real estate is the best protection against  inflation. Korean finacial sector was, however,  basically a closed economy during the most of high growth period, and China is very open for portfolio investment and speculative investment. And real estate supply of China is far more flexible than in Korea. My feeling is that except in the center of major cities of China, the real estate bubbles will have to burst from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bubble Schmubble. The difference that will keep China from making the huge dumb mistakes recently made by most western countries is  -  China&#039;s politicians do not have to pander to any special interest groups or anyone at all.

If China&#039;s leaders want to change something they change it. If they want to build/tear down something they do it. If they want to drill for oil, develop a new mine, raise/lower interest rates, burn coal, change a law, force workers to work for next to nothing - they just do it.

We may not like what they do, but those are the reasons China is not in a bubble and will not be in a bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubble Schmubble. The difference that will keep China from making the huge dumb mistakes recently made by most western countries is  &#8211;  China's politicians do not have to pander to any special interest groups or anyone at all.</p>
<p>If China's leaders want to change something they change it. If they want to build/tear down something they do it. If they want to drill for oil, develop a new mine, raise/lower interest rates, burn coal, change a law, force workers to work for next to nothing &#8211; they just do it.</p>
<p>We may not like what they do, but those are the reasons China is not in a bubble and will not be in a bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Pearsall</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Pearsall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, OK, but WE&#039;VE got the world&#039;s highest military spending, two interminable foreign wars at the same time, and troops in 108 different countries (or whatever it is)! What&#039;s infrastructure creation and a $2,000,000,000,000 cash kitty (2 trillion with all the zeroes written out!) compared to all that? Apparently the Chinese will have a national public health insurance system before the USA ever does, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, OK, but WE'VE got the world's highest military spending, two interminable foreign wars at the same time, and troops in 108 different countries (or whatever it is)! What's infrastructure creation and a $2,000,000,000,000 cash kitty (2 trillion with all the zeroes written out!) compared to all that? Apparently the Chinese will have a national public health insurance system before the USA ever does, too.</p>
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		<title>By: kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am i the only one that sees that the $2 trillion China has is a direct result of all the U.S. sends their way?  At what point will we as a country stop &#039;feeding&#039; all the other countries of the world and start to feed our own. Of the milliions of jobs lost in our country -- it is because everything from our cars, to our clothes, to our food/fish, to our own American flag are sent off to China to produce.   I only hope it isn&#039;t too late for our children, grandchildren and beyond to actually belong to the Chinese government.   Oh said, our government and each of us isn&#039;t taking the time to look at what is in our own backyards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am i the only one that sees that the $2 trillion China has is a direct result of all the U.S. sends their way?  At what point will we as a country stop 'feeding' all the other countries of the world and start to feed our own. Of the milliions of jobs lost in our country &#8212; it is because everything from our cars, to our clothes, to our food/fish, to our own American flag are sent off to China to produce.   I only hope it isn't too late for our children, grandchildren and beyond to actually belong to the Chinese government.   Oh said, our government and each of us isn't taking the time to look at what is in our own backyards.</p>
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