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		<title>By: Kevin Beck</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-14353</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to offer two different ideas which I believe would also work the desired result:

1.  Director&#039;s compensation will be paid only in stock or stock options, to be vested 5 years into the future;
2.  Change the Internal Revenue Code so that:
     a.  Compensation in stock or stock options is not taxable until the stock is sold;
     b.  Repeal the capital gains tax.

I think these would have a much better effect of aligning shareholder&#039;s interests to that of managers and directors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to offer two different ideas which I believe would also work the desired result:</p>
<p>1.  Director's compensation will be paid only in stock or stock options, to be vested 5 years into the future;<br />
2.  Change the Internal Revenue Code so that:<br />
     a.  Compensation in stock or stock options is not taxable until the stock is sold;<br />
     b.  Repeal the capital gains tax.</p>
<p>I think these would have a much better effect of aligning shareholder's interests to that of managers and directors.</p>
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		<title>By: ron taylor</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-12310</link>
		<dc:creator>ron taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do not  &quot; need &quot;  legal voting rights .  We do need trustworthy analysts capable of assessing company actions that could significantly affect share value and thereby provide a reasonable basis for deciding whether to buy/sell  -  the ultimate vote .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not  " need "  legal voting rights .  We do need trustworthy analysts capable of assessing company actions that could significantly affect share value and thereby provide a reasonable basis for deciding whether to buy/sell  &#8211;  the ultimate vote .</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for a wastefull charity for a number of years, they depended on faith and ignored sound business practices, however his quote still upset me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a wastefull charity for a number of years, they depended on faith and ignored sound business practices, however his quote still upset me.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dueweke</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11869</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Dueweke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for boards of directors -- ha!  The second biggest bunch of crooks in America.  Talk about an establishment!  For thirty years, I dutifully read and studied the directors meeting proxy statements for various corporations I owned stock in.  For thirty years, I analyzed the issues and then voted prudently.  For thirty years, I voted for six candidates for six vacant seats on the boards.  The number of seats always equaled the number of candidates.  But now I save time and am thru the proxy ballot in about thirty seconds.  I simply look at how management advises me to vote and then vote the opposite.  Voting for the candidates takes a little longer.  I vote FOR ALL EXCEPT and then write in the numbers of all the candidates. But it makes absolutely no difference what or who I vote for or against.  I even found a website a few years or so ago where some guy tracked all the proxy issues of all or some major part of the American corporations, like maybe the S&amp;P 500 or something.  He listed all these issues, like thousands of them, how management recommended to vote, and what the tally turned out to be.  Do you know how many issues pass over the opposition of management.  Not just zero, but absolutely, identically zero.  As I recall, there was one issue that got over 20 percent of the vote.  That was the highest.  There were maybe a dozen with more than 10 percent, maybe a hundred with more than one percent, and then the masses with less than one percent.  I cant remember what the website was now.

My favorite board is Disney.  They hired a bum, Michael Ovitz, at some salary like 70 million or so.  He was there 14 months and just about ran them into chap 11, so they fired him and gave him his 190 M severance package.  Then they just reelected each other to the board and back to business as usual.  Walt Disney was a dedicated visionary, and if he could see the bums running his company today, he&#039;d probably strangle Mickey Mouse for just being a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for boards of directors &#8212; ha!  The second biggest bunch of crooks in America.  Talk about an establishment!  For thirty years, I dutifully read and studied the directors meeting proxy statements for various corporations I owned stock in.  For thirty years, I analyzed the issues and then voted prudently.  For thirty years, I voted for six candidates for six vacant seats on the boards.  The number of seats always equaled the number of candidates.  But now I save time and am thru the proxy ballot in about thirty seconds.  I simply look at how management advises me to vote and then vote the opposite.  Voting for the candidates takes a little longer.  I vote FOR ALL EXCEPT and then write in the numbers of all the candidates. But it makes absolutely no difference what or who I vote for or against.  I even found a website a few years or so ago where some guy tracked all the proxy issues of all or some major part of the American corporations, like maybe the S&amp;P 500 or something.  He listed all these issues, like thousands of them, how management recommended to vote, and what the tally turned out to be.  Do you know how many issues pass over the opposition of management.  Not just zero, but absolutely, identically zero.  As I recall, there was one issue that got over 20 percent of the vote.  That was the highest.  There were maybe a dozen with more than 10 percent, maybe a hundred with more than one percent, and then the masses with less than one percent.  I cant remember what the website was now.</p>
<p>My favorite board is Disney.  They hired a bum, Michael Ovitz, at some salary like 70 million or so.  He was there 14 months and just about ran them into chap 11, so they fired him and gave him his 190 M severance package.  Then they just reelected each other to the board and back to business as usual.  Walt Disney was a dedicated visionary, and if he could see the bums running his company today, he'd probably strangle Mickey Mouse for just being a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheatie</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11861</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheatie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many shareholders vote with management because they do not understand what management is doing, they tell it in complicated methods and language.  I do not give to charities anymore due to how much the charity CEO&#039;s make.  A local regional charity CEO makes over $100,000.  I am sure that a recent college graduate could handle running a local charity for half of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many shareholders vote with management because they do not understand what management is doing, they tell it in complicated methods and language.  I do not give to charities anymore due to how much the charity CEO's make.  A local regional charity CEO makes over $100,000.  I am sure that a recent college graduate could handle running a local charity for half of that.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s spelled Moron not moran.</description>
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		<title>By: Don Fishgrab</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11803</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Fishgrab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is the same in the political field as in the corporate world.  Both constituents and share holders are ignored because management, and party control most of the funding. The Supreme court&#039;s decision makes the problem worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is the same in the political field as in the corporate world.  Both constituents and share holders are ignored because management, and party control most of the funding. The Supreme court's decision makes the problem worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Viswa Ghosh</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11802</link>
		<dc:creator>Viswa Ghosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the way Martin puts it- &quot;Shareholder Capitalism&quot; vs. &quot;Managerial Capitalism&quot;. That &quot;shareholder capitalism&quot; will evolve into &quot;managerial capitalism&quot; is inevitable as the initial founders (Ford, Morgan, and even the latest ones like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, et al) age and retire leaving the fate of the organizations in the hands of &quot;competent bureaucrats.&quot;

Agency Theory is supposed to be dealing with the kind of &#039;conflict of interest&#039; that Martin mentions, between shareholders and managers of a corporation. That the current rewarding structure (cash + stock options) of managers of corporations is not resolving this conflict has become glaringly evident during the last Wall Street crisis.

The other inevitable phenomenon is that middle classes (no matter how much their savings rise) will be forced to depend on institutional investors who many mutual and trust funds. Any small individual investor - who trades in the stock market - knows that the amount of data &amp; information that is out there to be first acquired and then processed to come up with optimum portfolio management is simply not possible. Hence, individuals are and will be more and more forced to rely on the data/information acquisition and processing powers of institutional investors. None of us can simply cannot come out of this inevitability.

As far as I can see, there is no option other than having an umbrella policy to curb obnoxious bonuses offered to managers. An umbrella policy will insure that all sectors are equally impacted - unless the government by design wants to push more skilled and better brains into selected sectors, say away from Wall Street toward Green Tech innovative companies.

Obnoxiously high bonuses (in cash or in stock options) will have to be taxed at prohibitive rates - such as, 75% tax rate on cash amounts above USD 450K (the President&#039;s salary) and 90% of the value of stocks on the offer day if the valuation crosses USD 0.5 million.

The above figures are merely illustrative. Actuarial methods may be used to arrive at the exact formula to prevent bleeding of corporations and shareholder wealth by competent or incompetent managers. If greed cannot be curbed then entrepreneurship will be pushed more and more to the back burners and the very driving forces of capitalism - hard work, thrift and innovation - will be reduced to ashes.

Hope somebody listens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the way Martin puts it- "Shareholder Capitalism" vs. "Managerial Capitalism". That "shareholder capitalism" will evolve into "managerial capitalism" is inevitable as the initial founders (Ford, Morgan, and even the latest ones like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, et al) age and retire leaving the fate of the organizations in the hands of "competent bureaucrats."</p>
<p>Agency Theory is supposed to be dealing with the kind of 'conflict of interest' that Martin mentions, between shareholders and managers of a corporation. That the current rewarding structure (cash + stock options) of managers of corporations is not resolving this conflict has become glaringly evident during the last Wall Street crisis.</p>
<p>The other inevitable phenomenon is that middle classes (no matter how much their savings rise) will be forced to depend on institutional investors who many mutual and trust funds. Any small individual investor &#8211; who trades in the stock market &#8211; knows that the amount of data &amp; information that is out there to be first acquired and then processed to come up with optimum portfolio management is simply not possible. Hence, individuals are and will be more and more forced to rely on the data/information acquisition and processing powers of institutional investors. None of us can simply cannot come out of this inevitability.</p>
<p>As far as I can see, there is no option other than having an umbrella policy to curb obnoxious bonuses offered to managers. An umbrella policy will insure that all sectors are equally impacted &#8211; unless the government by design wants to push more skilled and better brains into selected sectors, say away from Wall Street toward Green Tech innovative companies.</p>
<p>Obnoxiously high bonuses (in cash or in stock options) will have to be taxed at prohibitive rates &#8211; such as, 75% tax rate on cash amounts above USD 450K (the President's salary) and 90% of the value of stocks on the offer day if the valuation crosses USD 0.5 million.</p>
<p>The above figures are merely illustrative. Actuarial methods may be used to arrive at the exact formula to prevent bleeding of corporations and shareholder wealth by competent or incompetent managers. If greed cannot be curbed then entrepreneurship will be pushed more and more to the back burners and the very driving forces of capitalism &#8211; hard work, thrift and innovation &#8211; will be reduced to ashes.</p>
<p>Hope somebody listens.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry C</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11790</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I make a recommendation on this issue. How about instead take any compensation over say $250,000 in a year to any manager or executive. And use it to buy as many shares on the open market based on the all time high price of the share.
Say the CEO of Citi gats $1,250,000 salary and bonus this year. He gets $250,000 in cash the rest gets divided by the &quot;all time high&quot; (let&#039;s say for example it was $50 per share before the market crashed) $1,000,000 / $50 per share =  20,000 shares. So the company buys him 20,000 shares of Citi at market price on a defined day (say 15 business days after the anniversary of his employment). Let&#039;s say it was $3.50 per share. That&#039;s $75,000. The remainder ($1,000,000 - $75,000 = $925,000 goes to pay back the individual shareholders who via special dividend with an ex-div date being 1 day before the shares are purchased for the CEO and all other managers.) Now the only way he get&#039;s to recoupe his loss on the shares to to actually amke the company grow. Then 6 years after he leaves the job (provided he makes sure his replacement is competant) he is allowed sell the shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I make a recommendation on this issue. How about instead take any compensation over say $250,000 in a year to any manager or executive. And use it to buy as many shares on the open market based on the all time high price of the share.<br />
Say the CEO of Citi gats $1,250,000 salary and bonus this year. He gets $250,000 in cash the rest gets divided by the "all time high" (let's say for example it was $50 per share before the market crashed) $1,000,000 / $50 per share =  20,000 shares. So the company buys him 20,000 shares of Citi at market price on a defined day (say 15 business days after the anniversary of his employment). Let's say it was $3.50 per share. That's $75,000. The remainder ($1,000,000 &#8211; $75,000 = $925,000 goes to pay back the individual shareholders who via special dividend with an ex-div date being 1 day before the shares are purchased for the CEO and all other managers.) Now the only way he get's to recoupe his loss on the shares to to actually amke the company grow. Then 6 years after he leaves the job (provided he makes sure his replacement is competant) he is allowed sell the shares.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are mentioning money going to college endowments. The whole government funded higher ed system should be reworked. The more the government subsidies, the higher the cost. If you charge $10,000 per year tuition and the government come along and says education is too expensive, here&#039;s $10,000 per student, you will quickly find the cost rising to $20,000 per student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are mentioning money going to college endowments. The whole government funded higher ed system should be reworked. The more the government subsidies, the higher the cost. If you charge $10,000 per year tuition and the government come along and says education is too expensive, here's $10,000 per student, you will quickly find the cost rising to $20,000 per student.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry C</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11787</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve advocated the opposite. Eliminate the Mortgage interest deduction. Then replace it with a flat home owners tax credit. 
Promote home ownership, not debt.
Right now 30% tax rate, 5% mortgage, and a $1 million dollar home = $15,000 yearly tax subsidy to a millionaire paid for by the taxpayers to live in that million dollar home.

Give homeowners a tax credit of $3,000 for owning the home, regardless of wheter they have a mortgage or not. - Promote home ownership not mortgage debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've advocated the opposite. Eliminate the Mortgage interest deduction. Then replace it with a flat home owners tax credit.<br />
Promote home ownership, not debt.<br />
Right now 30% tax rate, 5% mortgage, and a $1 million dollar home = $15,000 yearly tax subsidy to a millionaire paid for by the taxpayers to live in that million dollar home.</p>
<p>Give homeowners a tax credit of $3,000 for owning the home, regardless of wheter they have a mortgage or not. &#8211; Promote home ownership not mortgage debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem is way over stated. Corporatiions already have a out of control share of the say in elections. In 2006 and 2008 5 companies GE, Disney, Viacon, Time Warner, and NY Times, controlled 90% of the political speech, thanks to McCain-Feingold. And Union money controlled half of the rest.

What a threat, in 2010 some of the other 5,000 companies might get a say as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem is way over stated. Corporatiions already have a out of control share of the say in elections. In 2006 and 2008 5 companies GE, Disney, Viacon, Time Warner, and NY Times, controlled 90% of the political speech, thanks to McCain-Feingold. And Union money controlled half of the rest.</p>
<p>What a threat, in 2010 some of the other 5,000 companies might get a say as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh great, more bad advice. The problem is not that interest rates are too low, it is that the FED keeps printing money like crazy. if you keep the M-1 money supply growing at 1% per year, and set the prime rate at 1%, you will not have a problem. 

If you really want to fix the problem, you have to prohibit nepotism and conflict of interest. No spouses of Executives sitting on Boards of Directors for example. No execs from one company sitting on that board or any other board. prohibit elected official, and former elected officials from sitting on boards. End the process of &quot;outside&quot; directors. The only people who should be allowed on the boards are individual investors who have owned their shared for some long period of time. say 7 years. Likewise ban any member of a board from increasein or decreseing his number of shares during his stay on a board and for some period afterwards, again sy 7 years for example. Require positive votes from the shareholders to be elected to the board. 
Most importantly require certain things be voted on by the shareholders in a&quot;co-operative&quot; manner, (each shareholder get 1 vote regardless of the number of shares), things like mergers and acquisitions, executive compensation, whether or not the executives earned theri bonus each year, wheter to spinn off or sell assets, splits and reverse splits, issuance of more stock, raisning coprorate debt, etc. basically anything that directly effects the shareholder. 
There is nothing that makes me madder as an investor, than when the execs cut inside deals with themselves to the economic harm of the investors. For example when 2 companies merge and huge fees and bonuses are paid to the execs that did the deal, then a few years later it doesn&#039;t work out and the company splits off or sold at a loss, and the execs that made the bad deal and got the bonuses, not only don&#039;t have to pay them back, but get even more bonuses for selling or spinning it off. M&amp;A rare now are done in the interest of the investors, they are done primarily to generate fees and bonuses for executives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great, more bad advice. The problem is not that interest rates are too low, it is that the FED keeps printing money like crazy. if you keep the M-1 money supply growing at 1% per year, and set the prime rate at 1%, you will not have a problem. </p>
<p>If you really want to fix the problem, you have to prohibit nepotism and conflict of interest. No spouses of Executives sitting on Boards of Directors for example. No execs from one company sitting on that board or any other board. prohibit elected official, and former elected officials from sitting on boards. End the process of "outside" directors. The only people who should be allowed on the boards are individual investors who have owned their shared for some long period of time. say 7 years. Likewise ban any member of a board from increasein or decreseing his number of shares during his stay on a board and for some period afterwards, again sy 7 years for example. Require positive votes from the shareholders to be elected to the board.<br />
Most importantly require certain things be voted on by the shareholders in a"co-operative" manner, (each shareholder get 1 vote regardless of the number of shares), things like mergers and acquisitions, executive compensation, whether or not the executives earned theri bonus each year, wheter to spinn off or sell assets, splits and reverse splits, issuance of more stock, raisning coprorate debt, etc. basically anything that directly effects the shareholder.<br />
There is nothing that makes me madder as an investor, than when the execs cut inside deals with themselves to the economic harm of the investors. For example when 2 companies merge and huge fees and bonuses are paid to the execs that did the deal, then a few years later it doesn't work out and the company splits off or sold at a loss, and the execs that made the bad deal and got the bonuses, not only don't have to pay them back, but get even more bonuses for selling or spinning it off. M&amp;A rare now are done in the interest of the investors, they are done primarily to generate fees and bonuses for executives.</p>
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		<title>By: EtTu</title>
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		<dc:creator>EtTu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article good thinking however, Wall Street CEO&#039;s are greedy, the boards are worthless, and mutual funds and pension plan manager do not have a clue, why would we thinks they would.  Funds managers went to the same schools as the Wall Street CEO&#039;s, they all scratch each others backs.  

I think that compensation consultants need to be put on a leach, as they are the spark plugs for the larger pay checks that we keep talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article good thinking however, Wall Street CEO's are greedy, the boards are worthless, and mutual funds and pension plan manager do not have a clue, why would we thinks they would.  Funds managers went to the same schools as the Wall Street CEO's, they all scratch each others backs.  </p>
<p>I think that compensation consultants need to be put on a leach, as they are the spark plugs for the larger pay checks that we keep talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Heinemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Heinemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Agree with John Hunter it is government interfering with the free market --They causd the meltdown with Fannie and Freddie-- Also if they tax executives excessive amounts, they will increase their salary to make up for the difference -to pay the tax! Therefore widening the gap between them and to the detriment of the lower levels --GET IT ? --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree with John Hunter it is government interfering with the free market &#8211;They causd the meltdown with Fannie and Freddie&#8211; Also if they tax executives excessive amounts, they will increase their salary to make up for the difference -to pay the tax! Therefore widening the gap between them and to the detriment of the lower levels &#8211;GET IT ? &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: jumpforjoyjenn</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11768</link>
		<dc:creator>jumpforjoyjenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20% flat tax no matter what you make.  One person, one vote, no electoral college nonsense.  Cancel corporate and individual funding of elections:  allow only public funds, three weeks tops, like Canada.  Abolish farm subsidies.  Abolish the Fed.  Can you imagine a lean America?

This would put an end to the Washington bloat, foreign policy adventuring, bailouts of failing enterprises . . . oh don&#039;t get me started!  My feeling is less money, less power and both the political parties would have some high-stepping to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20% flat tax no matter what you make.  One person, one vote, no electoral college nonsense.  Cancel corporate and individual funding of elections:  allow only public funds, three weeks tops, like Canada.  Abolish farm subsidies.  Abolish the Fed.  Can you imagine a lean America?</p>
<p>This would put an end to the Washington bloat, foreign policy adventuring, bailouts of failing enterprises . . . oh don't get me started!  My feeling is less money, less power and both the political parties would have some high-stepping to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>results of corporate greed and in general attitudes created an economic mess equivalent for US and associate economies of a lost war.... unfortunately home made. Losses will be funded by tax payers and sinking life standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>results of corporate greed and in general attitudes created an economic mess equivalent for US and associate economies of a lost war&#8230;. unfortunately home made. Losses will be funded by tax payers and sinking life standards.</p>
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		<title>By: AL MYERS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AL MYERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that THE FOXES ARE IN CHARGE OF THE HEN HOUSE.  

Board of Director nominees are selected by the Board Nominating Committee.  The nominees are proposed by present Board members or members of Top Management - who are members of the Board and most probably proposed all members of the current Board (including the Nominating Committee).  Top Management does not knowingly propose nominees who they believe will not support their proposals.  Therefore, Top Management selects those who are supposed to monitor their performance and compensation - and those &quot;monitors&quot; serve pretty much at the pleasure of Top Management or the &quot;monitors&quot; are replaced.

Since they are effectively in full control of their decisions and compensation, they have few effective restraints on their actions.  Therefore, they can and do structure their compensation plans as they choose.  Their ultimate bosses should be the stockholders but stockholder interest are seldom a meaningful part of executive management&#039;s bonus plan factors.  For example, changes in profit per share and share prices are seldom the most important parts of the bonus plans.  Sales and profits are considered only as totals - if at all.  Total sales and profits can be increased by buying companies for cash and/or stock even though profit per share and market price per share are not increased or even decreased.

But do not entirely blame Top Management.  The present system gives top management  legal and unrestricted access to a pool of cash.  We ought not be surprised they take as much as they can get today and come back for another load tomorrow.

The answer to this deplorable behavior is  (A) REQUIRE that stockholder oriented factors such as changes in profit per share and market price be major factors of management incentive plans, and (B) establish some INDEPENDENT method of incorporating these factors - to the extent the beneficiaries of a plan determine the structure of that plan there will be little restriction of its benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that THE FOXES ARE IN CHARGE OF THE HEN HOUSE.  </p>
<p>Board of Director nominees are selected by the Board Nominating Committee.  The nominees are proposed by present Board members or members of Top Management &#8211; who are members of the Board and most probably proposed all members of the current Board (including the Nominating Committee).  Top Management does not knowingly propose nominees who they believe will not support their proposals.  Therefore, Top Management selects those who are supposed to monitor their performance and compensation &#8211; and those "monitors" serve pretty much at the pleasure of Top Management or the "monitors" are replaced.</p>
<p>Since they are effectively in full control of their decisions and compensation, they have few effective restraints on their actions.  Therefore, they can and do structure their compensation plans as they choose.  Their ultimate bosses should be the stockholders but stockholder interest are seldom a meaningful part of executive management's bonus plan factors.  For example, changes in profit per share and share prices are seldom the most important parts of the bonus plans.  Sales and profits are considered only as totals &#8211; if at all.  Total sales and profits can be increased by buying companies for cash and/or stock even though profit per share and market price per share are not increased or even decreased.</p>
<p>But do not entirely blame Top Management.  The present system gives top management  legal and unrestricted access to a pool of cash.  We ought not be surprised they take as much as they can get today and come back for another load tomorrow.</p>
<p>The answer to this deplorable behavior is  (A) REQUIRE that stockholder oriented factors such as changes in profit per share and market price be major factors of management incentive plans, and (B) establish some INDEPENDENT method of incorporating these factors &#8211; to the extent the beneficiaries of a plan determine the structure of that plan there will be little restriction of its benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Webutante</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11763</link>
		<dc:creator>Webutante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a most interesting piece which makes total sense as to how and why there are few limits on big corporations salaries and bonuses today.  That most individuals own stocks through big funds and investment companies whose fund managers won&#039;t rock corporate management&#039;s boats is a major revelation for me.  In addition, there are individuals that trade stocks in their own online accounts taking short-term gains/losses with time frames for ownership so short they have little or no interest in managment accountability.

One last thing regarding charities:  I have to agree with some of your commenters.  While charities run the gamet of efficiency and purpose, many do fill invaluable gaps that government shouldn&#039;t and couldn&#039;t do as well.  Donors and members of such non-profits should hold managment accountable as they can.  Unfortunately many big 501-C3s get tons of grant and government funding, again making them less willing to be accountable to smaller individuals and donors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a most interesting piece which makes total sense as to how and why there are few limits on big corporations salaries and bonuses today.  That most individuals own stocks through big funds and investment companies whose fund managers won't rock corporate management's boats is a major revelation for me.  In addition, there are individuals that trade stocks in their own online accounts taking short-term gains/losses with time frames for ownership so short they have little or no interest in managment accountability.</p>
<p>One last thing regarding charities:  I have to agree with some of your commenters.  While charities run the gamet of efficiency and purpose, many do fill invaluable gaps that government shouldn't and couldn't do as well.  Donors and members of such non-profits should hold managment accountable as they can.  Unfortunately many big 501-C3s get tons of grant and government funding, again making them less willing to be accountable to smaller individuals and donors.</p>
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		<title>By: David C. Vigil</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C. Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s just the reason that chariities may be considered &quot;wasteful&quot; - the author of this message claims that no one connected with the &quot;charity&quot; of which he is chairman is paid and all the money goes to cancer patients. Yet he can&#039;t spell &quot;doudt&quot; for doubt, &quot;your&quot; for you&#039;re, and, significantly &quot;moran&quot; for MORON!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's just the reason that chariities may be considered "wasteful" &#8211; the author of this message claims that no one connected with the "charity" of which he is chairman is paid and all the money goes to cancer patients. Yet he can't spell "doudt" for doubt, "your" for you're, and, significantly "moran" for MORON!</p>
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		<title>By: AL MYERS</title>
		<link>http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/22/corporate-management/comment-page-1/#comment-11756</link>
		<dc:creator>AL MYERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You propose eliminating estate taxes and deductions for mortgage interest and charitable contributions would solve the problem of exorbitant management bonuses.  I agree with eliminating estate taxes because it may be assumed that all applicable taxes have already been paid on the income and it ought not be taxed twice.  (If some of it was not taxed because it was tax exempt, the amount of the income was probably less because it WAS tax-exempt.)

I agree with the elimination of mortgage interest.  The decision to buy a home is a personal decision that ought not be affected by the income tax laws  Allowing such deductions is an effort to torque personal decisions.   This results in those who do not have a mortgage providing welfare to those who do have a mortgage.

Charitable deductions should be allowed.  If you give it away to a TRUE charity, it ought not be taxed.  The operable word here is &quot;true&quot;.  A true charity - in my opinion - excludes t hose supposed-to-be apolitical organizations that attempt to influence public policy but claim to be unbiased politically.  A true charity would include gifts to eliminate poverty, hunger, disease and similar objectives.

Now, a comment the size of management compensation and the lack of stockholder control in other than closely held organizations

In the final analysis,  Top Management selects the Board of Directors.  The nominees are selected by the current Board (through its nominating committee).  No nominee would be selected were it known that nominee would not support management and the current Board.  

Top Management determines compensation in one of the following ways  
1.  They devise compensation plans and then present them to the Board.  These plans are based on at least two rationales:  (a)  The base compensation is comparable with other similar companies (&quot;Other people are paying their top management at this level, therefore, so should we.) or  (b) We employed a consultant to evaluate/recommend compensation plans and this is in accordance with their recommendation (Of course, they would not stay in business if they regularly recommended plans not acceptable to Management.)

2.  They devise &quot;incentive/bonus&quot; plans that are based on &quot;targets&quot; which Management determines.  By low-balling the target, they assure themselves of a bonus.  These plans seldom include such relevant things as growth in profits per share or  growth in stock price.  They do sometimes include in growth in total sales dollars and total profits.  That growth may be achieved by mergers or purchase of other companies for stock - which may or may not result in increased profits per share or stock price.  Inflation may cause a growth in dollar amounts but that is almost universally not a factor in these bonus plans.

It seems to me the higher in the organization is an executive the more should his/her bonus pay be affected by how the stockholders have fared!

In widely held stock, I  know not how to give individual stockholders more input into these compensation plans.  I believe there is presently a dollar limit on the amount of base compensation that is allowable as a deduction for corporate Federal income tax purposes.  (Some companies pay their top executive more than this top limit and just forgo the deduction.)    But there is no limit on the amount of &quot;incentive&quot; compensation that meets Federal guidelines that do not require the consideration of  factors related to stockholder interests - such as profit per share and changes in stock price.  Just like there is often a thin line between tax avoidance and tax evasion, these bonus plans are almost always manipulated to the advantage of Management. 

Presently, the foxes are om charge of the hen house!!!!  And it  is difficult to blame them entirely for their deplorable behavior. They can thereby increase their compensation and there is no meaningful restriction on their power to do it.  How many people who had legal and unrestricted access to a pool of cash would not take all they could carry - and continue coming back for more??????

There should definitely be a high correlation between the improvement in stockholder interests and management bonus compensation.  How this is accomplished I do not know.  One way might to be to establish an incentive pool that considered changes in profits per share and stock price - taking into account the current year and the average for some preceding period (to take into account negative changes also).  This could then be distributed in accord with the Board&#039;s decision,  the decision of the CEO, or a committee of the Board and management.

The best example of this was the $1 per year base compensation of Lee Iacocca, the new CEO of Chrysler many years ago when Chrysler was having serious difficulties  and was facing probable failure.  He accepted an incentive plan that depended almost entirely on growth in profits, profits per share, and stock price.  I think no investor felt the resulting compensation was unreasonable - considering the alternative.   He made money only because the stockholders did.  A similar arrangement should be a major component of most bonus plans for top management.  The problem is:  WHO IS GOING TO MONITOR THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THIS PRINCIPLE?   Presently,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You propose eliminating estate taxes and deductions for mortgage interest and charitable contributions would solve the problem of exorbitant management bonuses.  I agree with eliminating estate taxes because it may be assumed that all applicable taxes have already been paid on the income and it ought not be taxed twice.  (If some of it was not taxed because it was tax exempt, the amount of the income was probably less because it WAS tax-exempt.)</p>
<p>I agree with the elimination of mortgage interest.  The decision to buy a home is a personal decision that ought not be affected by the income tax laws  Allowing such deductions is an effort to torque personal decisions.   This results in those who do not have a mortgage providing welfare to those who do have a mortgage.</p>
<p>Charitable deductions should be allowed.  If you give it away to a TRUE charity, it ought not be taxed.  The operable word here is "true".  A true charity &#8211; in my opinion &#8211; excludes t hose supposed-to-be apolitical organizations that attempt to influence public policy but claim to be unbiased politically.  A true charity would include gifts to eliminate poverty, hunger, disease and similar objectives.</p>
<p>Now, a comment the size of management compensation and the lack of stockholder control in other than closely held organizations</p>
<p>In the final analysis,  Top Management selects the Board of Directors.  The nominees are selected by the current Board (through its nominating committee).  No nominee would be selected were it known that nominee would not support management and the current Board.  </p>
<p>Top Management determines compensation in one of the following ways<br />
1.  They devise compensation plans and then present them to the Board.  These plans are based on at least two rationales:  (a)  The base compensation is comparable with other similar companies ("Other people are paying their top management at this level, therefore, so should we.) or  (b) We employed a consultant to evaluate/recommend compensation plans and this is in accordance with their recommendation (Of course, they would not stay in business if they regularly recommended plans not acceptable to Management.)</p>
<p>2.  They devise "incentive/bonus" plans that are based on "targets" which Management determines.  By low-balling the target, they assure themselves of a bonus.  These plans seldom include such relevant things as growth in profits per share or  growth in stock price.  They do sometimes include in growth in total sales dollars and total profits.  That growth may be achieved by mergers or purchase of other companies for stock &#8211; which may or may not result in increased profits per share or stock price.  Inflation may cause a growth in dollar amounts but that is almost universally not a factor in these bonus plans.</p>
<p>It seems to me the higher in the organization is an executive the more should his/her bonus pay be affected by how the stockholders have fared!</p>
<p>In widely held stock, I  know not how to give individual stockholders more input into these compensation plans.  I believe there is presently a dollar limit on the amount of base compensation that is allowable as a deduction for corporate Federal income tax purposes.  (Some companies pay their top executive more than this top limit and just forgo the deduction.)    But there is no limit on the amount of "incentive" compensation that meets Federal guidelines that do not require the consideration of  factors related to stockholder interests &#8211; such as profit per share and changes in stock price.  Just like there is often a thin line between tax avoidance and tax evasion, these bonus plans are almost always manipulated to the advantage of Management. </p>
<p>Presently, the foxes are om charge of the hen house!!!!  And it  is difficult to blame them entirely for their deplorable behavior. They can thereby increase their compensation and there is no meaningful restriction on their power to do it.  How many people who had legal and unrestricted access to a pool of cash would not take all they could carry &#8211; and continue coming back for more??????</p>
<p>There should definitely be a high correlation between the improvement in stockholder interests and management bonus compensation.  How this is accomplished I do not know.  One way might to be to establish an incentive pool that considered changes in profits per share and stock price &#8211; taking into account the current year and the average for some preceding period (to take into account negative changes also).  This could then be distributed in accord with the Board's decision,  the decision of the CEO, or a committee of the Board and management.</p>
<p>The best example of this was the $1 per year base compensation of Lee Iacocca, the new CEO of Chrysler many years ago when Chrysler was having serious difficulties  and was facing probable failure.  He accepted an incentive plan that depended almost entirely on growth in profits, profits per share, and stock price.  I think no investor felt the resulting compensation was unreasonable &#8211; considering the alternative.   He made money only because the stockholders did.  A similar arrangement should be a major component of most bonus plans for top management.  The problem is:  WHO IS GOING TO MONITOR THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THIS PRINCIPLE?   Presently,</p>
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		<title>By: L.R. Schroeder, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.R. Schroeder, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many will agree that income tax deductions for mortgage interest are indefensible. For you to take pot shots at the deductions for contribution to charities is also indefensible, and makes many of us wonder where you are coming from. Until now I had great respect for your opinions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many will agree that income tax deductions for mortgage interest are indefensible. For you to take pot shots at the deductions for contribution to charities is also indefensible, and makes many of us wonder where you are coming from. Until now I had great respect for your opinions</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hahin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Hahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are entirely correct that the present system of &quot;capitalism&quot; virtually excludes labor from its decisionmaking, except for contracts which try to minimize their costs to the corporation.  In a recent board candidate nomination process for Avondale Industries, the steelworkers nominated several lawyers with ties to labor for seats.  The ballots stridently stated that &quot;management strongly opposes&quot; these candidates.  Considering the inclusion of labor in corporate boards could markedly decrease the hostility associated with contract negotiations, whereby the true fiscal picture and future strategy of the corporation would then become transparent.  Keeping everyone in the dark until &quot;insider sales&quot; reveal the actual reality is why we had Enron and its successors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are entirely correct that the present system of "capitalism" virtually excludes labor from its decisionmaking, except for contracts which try to minimize their costs to the corporation.  In a recent board candidate nomination process for Avondale Industries, the steelworkers nominated several lawyers with ties to labor for seats.  The ballots stridently stated that "management strongly opposes" these candidates.  Considering the inclusion of labor in corporate boards could markedly decrease the hostility associated with contract negotiations, whereby the true fiscal picture and future strategy of the corporation would then become transparent.  Keeping everyone in the dark until "insider sales" reveal the actual reality is why we had Enron and its successors.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand &quot;fund management mandates for their pension funds and 401(k)s&quot;.  What is this?  Why are institutional investors scared of these?</description>
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		<title>By: william c bullis</title>
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		<dc:creator>william c bullis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Large mutual funds that vote their many,many shares in a company, invariably in accord with the company&#039;s board/management&#039;s wishes, are certainly very much to blame for the outrageously large salaries and bonuses.  What if the funds were required by law to solicit the shareholders on all questions regarding pay and/or bonuses, or, alternatively, to vote their large blocks of stock as ABSTAINING?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Large mutual funds that vote their many,many shares in a company, invariably in accord with the company's board/management's wishes, are certainly very much to blame for the outrageously large salaries and bonuses.  What if the funds were required by law to solicit the shareholders on all questions regarding pay and/or bonuses, or, alternatively, to vote their large blocks of stock as ABSTAINING?</p>
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