When invariably asked to compare the two as investments, my answer has always been the same.
Somewhat tongue -in-cheek, I'd point out "that India has trouble keeping the lights on from one end of the country to the other."
Little did I know that those comments made in jest would actually become reality.
Earlier this week, a massive power blackout left more than 700 million people without power in India as not one, but three, regional electrical grids failed.
If that isn't a glaring sign that India isn't ready for prime-time I don't know what I can say to make you see the light - pun absolutely intended.
Don't get me wrong. There are clearly a few select Indian companies worth the risk.
But as a whole, the scope of this power failure suggests India has a long way to go before it achieves the global superpower status it seeks and a dominant position in your portfolio.
India Needs to Put its Own House in Order
Not that this will stop India from trying.It's now the 8th largest military spender in the world, having tripled defense spending in the past 10 years. It's no secret India desperately wants to have a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council.
And, it's making great strides in international diplomacy that it believes will pay off later in increased foreign recognition and direct investment.
But as this embarrassing power failure demonstrates, India would be better off getting its own house in order first before it steps onto the world stage.
Many investors take issue with these views. They cite the fact that India is the second-largest English-speaking nation in the world, that 58% of its economy is consumption-based, that it has huge numbers of tech-savvy and well-educated people.
I don't dispute any of that.
However, on the other side of the ledger is a laundry list of reasons for investors to be wary.
And now, India quite literally can't keep the lights on.
Now we're obviously not a paragon of virtue ourselves, so I am not pointing fingers either real or imagined. Our own "house" is an ungodly mess in many ways.
But fixing these problems first could give India a powerful advantage down the road. As noted by the London School of Economics among others, India should focus on its internal socio-political and economic issues before pressing on with its global ambitions.
To me, the question is one of putting governance first, then leveraging change into business development.
In a region torn by war and religious strife for thousands of years this is no small issue. It is the issue and timing is of the essence.
Here's why.
The foreign investors India craves but fails to attract on anything more than a piecemeal basis are losing their patience. Worse, they're losing their vision.
Never mind what India thinks about its future. If foreign investors don't have the same faith, they won't invest because they don't believe in India's potential.
Case in point: Ruchir Sharma, head of Morgan Stanley's emerging market analysis, gave India only a 50% chance of returning to its growth trajectory from a few years back. I'd place the odds at 30%.
Again, it all comes back to meaningful change.
To echo the words voiced by ArcelorMittal Chairman and CEO Lakshmi Mittal, the lack of change potentially damns millions in India to poverty-not to mention literal darkness.
What India Can Learn From China and Japan
What kinds of changes does India need to make, you ask?India needs to take a cue from China, which closely studied Japan's successful transformation following WWII. This means dramatically engaging the West as a means of increasing technological prowess, global best practices management and foreign direct investment - all of which translate directly into bottom line results needed for healthy capital markets and sustained investment.
In his book "Superpower?" author Raghave Bahl makes a similar case. Bahl notes that while this will lead to huge "terrifying dualities," the changes are a necessity for India's future.
Specifically, he cites the massive imbalances that exist between investment, which represents roughly 50% of China's GDP, and consumption.
At the same time, though, I'd like to submit that what China has done is simply without precedent. There has never been another nation in history that has pulled itself up from poverty to become the world's second largest economy in a matter of decades.
But there could be in India - beginning with a dynamic investment in the country's electrical grids.
So what do you with your money?...
Limit your exposure to India or underweight it if you prefer that term. India is not ready for prime time yet.
Investors can expect more internal trouble to surface. That's going to cool economic growth more rapidly than most experts expect.
What's more, I expect India to receive multiple ratings downgrades in the next twelve months-- not the least of which will cause it to lose its investment grade status.
If you just can't stay away and have deep enough pockets to consider India in a more speculative light, concentrate on what India's blossoming population needs rather than what it wants.
EU, U.S. and Chinese stimulus will eventually flow around the world with some of it winding up in India. Good choices include companies like ICIC Bank (NYSE: IBN) and Tata Motors (NYSE: TTM). Both are beaten down significantly from their 2007 highs, which makes them contrarian plays in the purest sense of the word, given the overall outlook.
There's also the Wisdom Tree India Earnings ETF (NYSE: EPI).
Roughly 30% of the fund is concentrated in industrials, which means you'll have to put up with what could be extreme volatility as India gets back on its feet. You may also have to wait a while.
And finally, investigate the Franklin India Prima Plus (100519.BO). Traded directly on the Bombay exchange, the fund offers a healthy 10.60% yield that may be worth the ups and downs you'll have to endure as India transitions.
For me, I'd just like to see them keep their lights on first.
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Referring to India's Blackout:
Whether they be internet jokes or not, pictures I see of India's phone and electic wiring leave an awful lot to be disired. The same might be said for China but now India comes to mind. If they all started rewiring they are gonna need a heck of lot of copper.
On a very thinly related subject: I frequently avail my self of software ordering and tech services and always ask where they are located. India is NOT one of my favorites. Natuarally I prefer the USA or Canada but I find the Philipines to be excellent service. I always get a kick out telling them I was in their country at Clark AFB Hospital in 1969 when I got hurt in Nam. They are all so young and weren't even born before Mt Pintitubo blew up. The Phillipinos speak excellent English.
Paul G Huber, CPA
Keith, Comments about India are brilliantly describes the reality on the ground.
Fear no one in highlighting the truth and reality on the ground.
Highly appreciated.
Well done.
Keep it up.
Thanks for most illuminating article. In my opinion India will get there, somebody (people) will have to kick the Elephant.
Keith,
Do your home work first. 350 million people were affected.
Secondly about your sermon on what India needs to do, thank you very much.We had many such sermons from westerners and the developed world and look what happened. The world is in a mess, USA is in a MESS, USA is targeting Africa because India and China have firm footholds.USA and Europe have nowhere to go hence they are coming to Africa to screw up Africa further. Europe is in a mess. The PIGS countries need bailing out.
The world is in a mess thanks to overindulgence and the greed of the developed nations. It started with Lehman brothers and continuing.It started in 2008 and 4 years down the line the world is still in a mess due to unbridled greed and capitalism of the developed economies.When I mean developed world I mean only USA since countries like Canada, Australia and European countries are lackeys of USA and will follow Uncle Sam's dictates.
What is good for your developed economy is not necessarily good for other countries.
China and India are better off without the useless advices of the westerners.People staying in glass houses should not throw stones.
By the way grid failures have been occurring around the world including the famous USA and its lackey countries. I can send you many articles of power failures in the developed economies.
With or without you, India will develop and will surely get there.This century belongs to Africa, China and India.
Your article and some comments shows how ignorant you gusy are about the world around you.Sour grapes.
India has been developed (at least where the government has allowed foreigners to invest) with foreign technology, foreign capital,foreign products, all this being forced upon India by the World Bank and the IMF in 1991.Nothing much indian in the "New India"
When foreigners were not allowed in India, politicians were seeing a "foreign hand" everywhere, now all this work has become India's glory, what a joke! Wherever "foreigners" are not allowed to invest ( agriculture, administration, distribution) and remains in the exclusive hands of Indians, it's still the same archaic and corrupt mess. Sorry for your misplaced pride.
"India is the second-largest English-speaking nation in the world, that 58% of its economy is consumption-based, that it has huge numbers of tech-savvy and well-educated people"
Only 3 to 5% of the population can speak English (36 to 60 millions).
Education is a disaster, only 10% of young "engineers" arriving on the market every year are employable according to recruiters. An international survey of 15-year-old students has put India at the 79th rank out of 80 countries. Only a few elitist institutions churn out a few hundred world-class engineers or managers. Most of the rest is a big comedy with "open-book" (!) exams , papers for sale etc…
The world has been victim of a soviet-type propaganda by the government with the help of the indian diaspora,only too eager to improve their status abroad.